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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: utee94 on October 02, 2021, 03:35:44 PM
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Well, it's Hate Week.
And. Here. We. Go.
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it seems like it was just yesterday that OU sucked
oh wait it was
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it seems like it was just yesterday that OU sucked
oh wait it was
Indeed.
The three days that ou sucks: Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow
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looks like Kansas St is giving OU all they can handle
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looks like Kansas St is giving OU all they can handle
Tough game for OU but they pulled it out. Horns are gonna have to try harder than that.
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horns will play harder vs the Sooners than TCU
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horns will play harder vs the Sooners than TCU
Yup, that's the way it works.
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OU looks beatable, to me.
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Me too. Texas looks beatable as well. Hopefully it will be the usual tight competitive game.
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oh come on you can do better then that
The Horns are gonna win this one so get used to it
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Can't work up much froth for this one. Texas sucks like they did last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before, etc. to infinity. Meanwhile OU marches toward another championship like last year and the year before, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before.
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OU will be the best team we've played all year. I expect Casey Thompson will have a little something extra for this week. Should be a fun one to watch.
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I'm not sure why Card started ahead of Thompson. Every time I've seen Casey, he has looked very good.
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cause Casey's father was a hated Sooner
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So was Darryl Royal.
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Sarkisian felt that Card fit his offense better.
But Thompson just has "it" and Sarkisian has figured that out.
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My guess (and my guesses have been pretty bad this season):
Longhorns 27 Sooners 24
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My guess (and my guesses have been pretty bad this season):
Longhorns 27 Sooners 24
Ah man I was hoping you'd pick the dirt burglars!
Anyway, I think you're pretty close. Probably a 3-5 point game in either direction. Both teams have shown some potential to be very good, both teams have some warts.
I've only seen a couple of Sooner games, but to me their line play on both sides looks better-- a little stronger, and more organized. That could make the difference. Obviously turnovers and big plays in special teams can turn the tide as well, in a close game.
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OU is a team that looked beatable all season long, yet they haven't been beaten.
I wish Texas had a reliable pass rush.
I talked a lot of sunshine about Andrej Karic, now he's gonna get his moment.
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OU is a team that looked beatable all season long, yet they haven't been beaten.
I wish Texas had a reliable pass rush.
I talked a lot of sunshine about Andrej Karic, now he's gonna get his moment.
Perfectly stated. The Sooners just know how to win. They've been doing a lot of it, for a long time. When things get tough, they know they can rely on each other, and their coaching.
I'd love for Texas to get to that point.
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Oklahoma vs. Texas - Game Summary - October 9, 2021 - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401287918)
3.5 point spread is almost a toss up. Well, 3:2 more or less. Those OU scores make me thing Texas will triumph, they did put up a half decent showing against a very good SEC team.
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Oklahoma vs. Texas - Game Summary - October 9, 2021 - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401287918)
3.5 point spread is almost a toss up. Well, 3:2 more or less. Those OU scores make me thing Texas will triumph, they did put up a half decent showing against a very good SEC team.
I don't think the final score of the Texas-arky game is truly representative of the arse-whipping the pigs delivered, but I also don't think the current Texas team much resembles the one that played the first three quarters in Fayattenam.
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The game was at Dallas, no? Anyway, it's good Texas had come around, a first game may not mean much. My Dawgs only managed ten points in the first game.
It would be interesting if Texas ran a streak and finished 12-1.
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The game was at Dallas, no? Anyway, it's good Texas had come around, a first game may not mean much. My Dawgs only managed ten points in the first game.
It would be interesting if Texas ran a streak and finished 12-1.
The Texas/Arky game was in Arkansas. I think the moment was too big for a Texas team not used to success. When things got difficult, they couldn't put it back on the rails. I'm public with my belief that Hudson Card will lead Texas to big things at some point, but that the 19 year old locked up when having to make moves in that atmosphere. Very understandable. You can't teach experience.
Texas grew up a lot in Fort Worth this weekend. That was a mistake filled game against an inspired opponent. Rather than panic when the issue got tight, Texas got the ball back and bashed it until the clock ran out. They trusted each other, the coaches and their training. Whereas previous Texas teams would start trying to do each other's jobs, or overthinking the situation, this team stayed the course and finished.
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Thanks, so if Texas wins, they have OkSt next and then no more ranked oppos.
If they win, they might be due for a let down, it happens.
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Texas has a great record following a loss to OU. Frankly, they've gotten too much practice at it.
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How is their record over the past 20 after a win?
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2005: win against #24 Colorado, 42-17
2006: win against Baylor 63-31
2008: win against #11 Missouri 56-31
2009: win against Missouri 41-7
2013: win against TCU 30-7
2015: win against Kansas State 23-9
2018: win against Baylor 23-17
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So, no obvious let downs or hangovers from wins.
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Yeah I guess not.
That time period spans three different head coaches. Not really sure what it tells us.
Anyway, I'm not even thinking about the next game. This one's pretty important.
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Yeah, a Texas win here likely means a really good season, I think, 10-2 perhaps better. Even 9-3 would be progress.
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If the season is going to go like that, and I hope it's at least that good, then we hit the Big 12 stupidity problem.
Whomever loses this game gets another bite at the apple for actual credit in December.
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Yup.
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This is the game where the switch is flipped and OU comes alive for the rest of the season. 38-27 Sooners. In other news, trail cams in Oklahoma have been picking up unicorns.
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Texas took a pre-test in Arkansas that revealed what they needed to learn. They spent the intervening weeks taking chapter quizzes. Now, it's time for a true midterm.
I believe Texas finally has the OL it needs. Wish it wouldn't have happened this way, but I feel Andrej Karic is the angry bastard that was lacking. OL is an ugly, thankless, pain-filled job that should be done by angry people. If we're playing power offense, he's not ideal. As a RT for Bijan and Casey, he's quick and violent. I'm confident that the Texas offense can put sufficient points on the board to succeed.
I'm not comfortable bringing in the defense without a credible pass rush. Recent history says this is exactly what Texas should do, because Rattler's been losing his cool and throwing into coverage when he doesn't need to, but that plan freaks me out. The pass defense hasn't put it all on the same page yet. I'd like to be able to harass the QB without bringing extra players.
The only plan is that this game doesn't ever go according to the plan.
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Texas took a pre-test in Arkansas that revealed what they needed to learn. They spent the intervening weeks taking chapter quizzes. Now, it's time for a true midterm.
I believe Texas finally has the OL it needs. Wish it wouldn't have happened this way, but I feel Andrej Karic is the angry bastard that was lacking. OL is an ugly, thankless, pain-filled job that should be done by angry people. If we're playing power offense, he's not ideal. As a RT for Bijan and Casey, he's quick and violent. I'm confident that the Texas offense can put sufficient points on the board to succeed.
I'm not comfortable bringing in the defense without a credible pass rush. Recent history says this is exactly what Texas should do, because Rattler's been losing his cool and throwing into coverage when he doesn't need to, but that plan freaks me out. The pass defense hasn't put it all on the same page yet. I'd like to be able to harass the QB without bringing extra players.
The only plan is that this game doesn't ever go according to the plan.
Ain't that the truth.
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If the season is going to go like that, and I hope it's at least that good, then we hit the Big 12 stupidity problem.
Whomever loses this game gets another bite at the apple for actual credit in December.
but, the winner gets Iowa State?
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but, the winner gets Iowa State?
the winner gets who ever is 2nd
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As noted, a possible outcome is a rematch between these two teams, which could be interesting. Would be.
The outcome of rematches is usually the same as the first game, something like 70%.
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Rematches for Texas in CCGs have gone the opposite direction. 75% changed from first meeting to second, and every time resulting in a CCG loss.
1999: Texas 24 Nebraska 20, Texas 6 Nebraska 22
2001: Texas 41 Colorado 7, Texas 37 Colorado 39
2005: Texas 42 Colorado 17, Texas 70 Colorado 3
2018: Texas 48 Oklahoma 45, Texas 27 Oklahoma 39
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The Big 12 historically used the CCG to knock their MNC contender off its earned pedestal. It never made things better, and it almost always made them worse.
Still too much ball to be played, and neither Texas nor OU seem to be having the kind of season where a rematch is an inevitability irrespective of the outcome Saturday. However, for a conference that hung its hat on "everyone plays everyone - one true champion", these guaranteed rematches make no sense.
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I hate CCGs and I loathe rematches.
The only time we've ever won one, is when we had the greatest college football player of all time playing QB for us.
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Looking back at conference title rematch history | NCAA.com (https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2017-11-30/college-football-look-back-conference-title-rematch-history)
This is a bit dated, 2017. And UGA that year beat Auburn in a rematch where Auburn won the first game (and UGA really played poorly).
Twenty of 33 conference championship game rematches have resulted in the team that won in the regular season winning again for the league title.
Only one of the teams that has been on the losing end of both games was ranked in the top four entering the conference title game. In a wild 2007 season, Missouri was ranked 11th in the AP poll when it lost at Oklahoma, 41-31, on Oct. 13. By Dec. 1, the Tigers had climbed to No. 1 in the BCS and played No. 9 Oklahoma, which resulted in an even more convincing Sooners victory, 38-17, that took Missouri out of the national title chase.
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This makes sense to me, because often one team is really better than the other, and the rest of the time they are close to 50-50 games. If a third of the time one team is better and wins 90% and the rest if 50-50 you get this result.
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This goes back to 1942 and says about half.
College football rematches: Original winner wins barely half the time (oklahoman.com) (https://www.oklahoman.com/article/5649224/big-12-rematches-original-winner-is-5-3-in-second-game)
The B12 experience is perhaps more interesting.
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I hate CCGs and rematches, but in a conference with divisions, I understand their presence.
In a conference that does a full roundrobin, it's ridiculous and stupid.
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Well sure, the reason for all stupid things in college football, always seems to be money.
Just ask all those strident 11 AM-kickoff haters...
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the winner gets who ever is 2nd
who says the Cyclones won't be #1 with victories over both?
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I see ISU gets Texas and OKSt at home and OU on the road. They have one narrow conference loss already. Can they run that table? Probably not.
I still like Texas over OU, barely.
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who says the Cyclones won't be #1 with victories over both?
Certainly could be.
Regardless of the outcomes of ANY of those games, there will inevitably be a rematch of two teams that have already played one another, in the CCG.
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They should do something about that. Heh.
I have not looked at Iowa State this year, how good do you think they are? Competitive with OkST and OU? I know they had a lofty preseason.
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I don't think they're showing out quite as well as was expected pre-season.
OU is probably around the same as last year, which is better than ISU. Anything can happen and an upset could happen there, but it would definitely be an upset.
And I'd like to think that Texas has improved since last year. We already had plenty of talent, we just had crap coaching. IF that has improved, then the Horns should also be better than ISU.
The Cyclones might have missed their window.
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I take it they are around the level of OkST, and below UT/OU at least in talent, and yes, upsets can happen. I watched them a bit in 2019 and they impressed me as being disciplined and well coached.
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it will all play out obviously, but Iowa state has a recent history of upsetting one of Texas or Oklahoma
Iowa state has a loss to what appears is a solid Iowa team and a loss in Waco on a failed two point conversion to a decent Baylor team
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ISu had four TOs to none against Iowa and lost 27-17. If you think TOs are often flukes, they might be as good as Iowa.
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ISU and oSu are weird animals right now. ISU in particular. There's no reason for them to have taken the marked step back this season that they have. Their game relies on force rather than finesse, but they still have their QB, RB, and TE that saw them dominate opponents last season. They're not awful, but rather just not quite as in sync as they were.
oSu is obviously missing their weapons. Their QB was always more of a function of his RB and WR than raw personal talent. This season thus far he's trying to force things. Some of his throws are mind bogglingly bad in which he just tosses a pass directly to the defense. The running game just isn't setting them up for success.
Really, the Big 12 right now is OU not able to ply their game due to a running game weak between the tackles, but still winning games. After them comes a Texas team with real promise, but no history. They pass the eye test, but are obviously still getting their sea legs. Behind these two are basically 7 teams that are good but not great. The statistical likelihood is that they'll cannibalize each other depending on who gets the edge that particular Saturday. Them, then KU.
OU and Texas aren't so dominant as to escape the pack. One or both will likely post a bad loss to them at some point.
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Nice summary, I like it, I do wonder if ISU is better than a quick glance might suggest, and they do seem able to upset folks.
Meanwhile, back on topic ...
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it will all play out obviously, but Iowa state has a recent history of upsetting one of Texas or Oklahoma
Iowa state has a loss to what appears is a solid Iowa team and a loss in Waco on a failed two point conversion to a decent Baylor team
I can't speak for ISU/OU, but Texas is in the midst of its worst decade in about 80 years. Nobody has needed to be particularly good to beat Texas since 2010.
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I can't speak for ISU/OU, but Texas is in the midst of its worst decade in about 80 years. Nobody has needed to be particularly good to beat Texas since 2010.
I dont totally agree with that
since 2010 we are 78 and 60 which is averaging 7 wins a year
not what Id like to see but not Kansas quality either
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I dont totally agree with that
since 2010 we are 78 and 60 which is averaging 7 wins a year
not what Id like to see but not Kansas quality either
7 wins per year in a 12-14 game season is not at all like 7 wins per year was in 1960.
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7 wins per year in a 12-14 game season is not at all like 7 wins per year was in 1960.
Im not saying UT has had a good 11 year record only that over all we have a winning record and a lot of teams wish they could say that
lets hope we return to helmet quality starting this year
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I like to point out that men with a lot of money paid 8 figures to make the previous staff go away. That's a staff that posted winning seasons.
The eye test tells me that money was spent wisely (if you've got it, and making Texas win football games is a priority). I sort of want to apologize to all the high school All-Americans that passed through Austin the last decade. The staff did not develop them. They left with the same high school talent they arrived with. This current staff develops players between the end of one game Saturday and the start of the next one.
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I like to point out that men with a lot of money paid 8 figures to make the previous staff go away. That's a staff that posted winning seasons.
The eye test tells me that money was spent wisely (if you've got it, and making Texas win football games is a priority). I sort of want to apologize to all the high school All-Americans that passed through Austin the last decade. The staff did not develop them. They left with the same high school talent they arrived with. This current staff develops players between the end of one game Saturday and the start of the next one.
Agree, I'm embarrassed at what UT Football subjected a lot of talented players to, over the past decade. If I could apologize to them directly, I would.
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Agree, I'm embarrassed at what UT Football subjected a lot of talented players to, over the past decade. If I could apologize to them directly, I would.
maybe UT should do the hiring of asst coaches direct instead of allowing the HC to do it
or at least be more involved
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Hiring staff is most of what a head coach does. If he can't pull talent to him, then he's the wrong guy.
Charlie Strong was hamstrung by Patterson not wanting to actually pay his assistants. If you can't spend money on Texas Football, why are you the AD?
That was my first hopeful sign with Sark. Flood and Davis have offers to be anywhere they want. Kwiatkowski was entrenched in the northwest and never had to leave if he didn't want, and many have asked in the past. All of these men took lateral (mostly) moves to join Steve Sarkisian at Texas. He chose them, and they agreed.
As fans, we can (and do) yap and carp all we want. These are top notch guys with families and careers that bet them on Sark's success at Texas.
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Hiring staff is most of what a head coach does. If he can't pull talent to him, then he's the wrong guy.
Charlie Strong was hamstrung by Patterson not wanting to actually pay his assistants. If you can't spend money on Texas Football, why are you the AD?
That was my first hopeful sign with Sark. Flood and Davis have offers to be anywhere they want. Kwiatkowski was entrenched in the northwest and never had to leave if he didn't want, and many have asked in the past. All of these men took lateral (mostly) moves to join Steve Sarkisian at Texas. He chose them, and they agreed.
As fans, we can (and do) yap and carp all we want. These are top notch guys with families and careers that bet them on Sark's success at Texas.
Dont agree with the word most.
If UT isnt prepared to do what it takes to be sure its players are properly developed then they are as much at fault as the HC
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Well I'm off to Dallas. Y'all have a great weekend.
HOOK 'EM HORNS!
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Hope you have a mostly good time. Stay safe and
BOOMER SOONER!
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Not sure how to read this game. OU has looked somewhat average. UT has looked bad at times and decent at others. So is UT a good team hiding behind the facade of an average team or is OU a average team that hasn’t faced a quality opponent yet?
I’m going with OU. 35-32.
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I don't think they're showing out quite as well as was expected pre-season.
OU is probably around the same as last year, which is better than ISU. Anything can happen and an upset could happen there, but it would definitely be an upset.
And I'd like to think that Texas has improved since last year. We already had plenty of talent, we just had crap coaching. IF that has improved, then the Horns should also be better than ISU.
The Cyclones might have missed their window.
I don't think OU is as good right now as it was at the end of last year.
I agree that the Cyclones have missed their way. They've stumbled, bumbled, and fumbled their way to two losses, so their ceiling is probably 8-4. The Clones have never had a 10-win season.
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My rental car in Denver has Texas plates ... Just sayin.
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The way this game started, I thought I was going to have to post congratulations to the Horns!
I still may have to do that, but right now, with the Sooners having fought their way to a 35-point comeback, things are looking good for the team in crimson and cream.
Off the top of my head, I can't remember such a turnabout in the RRS. But Texas may yet have another turnabout in them.
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SOONER MAGIC!!!!
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Off the top of my head, I can't remember such a turnabout in the RRS. But Texas may yet have another turnabout in them.
Largest comeback by either team in the series. Largest combined score.
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The Horns did have a comeback in them. Fortunately, the Sooners had an answering drive to win the game.
Kennedy Brooks got stronger and stronger in the 2nd half.
It's always risky to proclaim "best ever" in the immediate aftermath of a great game, but that was the greatest OU-Texas game that I can think of.
Great game, Horns! Your guys came out ready to fight and took it to the Sooners in the 1st half. And they showed some heart when OU had all the momentum and taken the lead late.
But somebody had to win, and the good guys did.
BOOMER SOONER!!!
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Largest comeback by either team in the series. Largest combined score.
Yep. Fantastic game in so many ways.
And a ton of human-interest stories. A bunch of them involving Casey Thompson and Caleb Williams.
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congrats to the Sooners
we might get to do this again
oh joy
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My rental car in Denver has Texas plates ... Just sayin.
Did the wheels fall off?
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Tale of two halves. Horns owned the first, Sooners the second. This was an instant classic.
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congrats to the Sooners
we might get to do this again
oh joy
Reminds me of the 1st Rocky movie.
I'm not sure whether Rocky or Apollo Creed won the fight, but I think it was the latter.
Apollo: "You aint' gettin' no rematch!"
Rocky: "I don't want one!"
Or words to that effect.
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Congrats to the Sooners.
I can't really say anything else about this game. I can't find any positives here. The outcome of the game sickens me.
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Field-level, condensed version of the game (https://youtu.be/XcQrOZjoNaA)