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CousinFreddie

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2018, 04:41:06 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 27, 2018, 12:31:48 PM
Not sure UNC is capable of "underperforming" in football.  Aside from Mack Brown's successful first run there, they've certainly never been considered a football school.

Now roundball, on the other hand...
Their all time winning pct is 55.8%.  It’s the best college football program in the state by far, and they’ve had a few 10+ win seasons along the way. They’ve even beaten Texas a few times.  Not OU though ;)
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2018, 08:29:17 AM »
Yes, it's the best college football program in a basketball state.  Still not saying anything.  
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2018, 11:10:22 AM »
I was surprised when I heard this. I guess maybe he’s got something left to prove. 21 years between HC gigs at the same place, is that a record?
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2018, 04:51:23 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on November 28, 2018, 11:10:22 AM
I was surprised when I heard this. I guess maybe he’s got something left to prove.

I love Mack for what he did for Texas, but the man just can't let go.  Maybe it's just a passion rather than ego.  I would hope so.  Or maybe he just likes money.

But whatever the reason, this firmly proves that he wasn't stepping down anytime soon at Texas without a little help.  I was saddened that we had to escort him out the door, but he obviously had no intentions of finding it himself.

I don't expect him to rebuild UNC like he did the first time around.  But he will improve them.
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2018, 06:06:16 PM »
The ACC is absolutely horrible outside of Clemson. It won't take much to get them to the top of that conference.

Mack's strength is in program-building. It was program-maintaining where he really suffered.  He'll do well for a few years while he's in program-building mode.

Not surprisingly, he came and got Tim Brewster, who is the current TE coach at Texas A&M, to take the same role at UNC.
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CousinFreddie

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2018, 06:29:11 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 28, 2018, 06:06:16 PM
The ACC is absolutely horrible outside of Clemson. It won't take much to get them to the top of that conference.
And yet two different ACC teams have won the NC this past decade, and the Big XII hasn’t even has a shot at one since 2009.  
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2018, 11:20:45 PM »
Doesn't change at all the truth of my statement.  
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CousinFreddie

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2018, 11:29:36 PM »
I can’t see that the data back you up:

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/big12/acc.shtml

The ACC is roughly even with the Big XII head to head, and has had more success lately than the Big XII in terms of going all the way.

I don’t see much difference.  OU and Texas might be dominant over the ACC, but that doesn’t mean much as our two teams are dominant over most any conference, individually.  
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2018, 11:53:14 PM »
OK.  Cool.  Hook 'Em!
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2018, 10:36:55 AM »
I will resist the temptation to launch into my recurring lecture on the fallacy of conference comparisons with emphases on pies and vacuums, the scarcity of interactions, the significance of bowls and the absurdity of perceptions.

Instead I will say, I wish Mack luck and if he is vigilant he will be successful.  If he gets complacent and misplaces his trust in the wrong people, he won't.

Tim Brewster was a great hire.  I'm anxious to see who else joins his staff.

I'm doubtful it could be Kingsbury and Chizik.  Kirk Bohls always underminds his breaking news (Mack to NC) with unnecessary bull (Kingsbury and Chizik to be his coordinators).  Guess you could say he could stand to be more vigilant and less complacent himself.
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2018, 02:55:10 PM »
The loss of Brewster hurts... a lot.  He's a top flight recruiter.  But it's hard to compete with the fact that he has ties to North Carolina.  Wish him luck.

If MB also pulls in Kingsbury and Chizik.... well.... holy shit.  That's one hell of a staff.  Kingsbury is going to make SOMEONE a lot of money as their OC.  There's rumor here in DFW of him coming to Cowboys has OC here.  
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2018, 04:38:17 PM »
Brown gives them a name, and puts them in the news, so some recruits may glance at them again who might otherwise have not.

UNC will be paying two coaches for a while, their finances won't be good.  My guess is he can get them back to 5-7 to 8-4 type seasons in 2-3 years if he gets good coordinators.

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2018, 04:39:00 PM »
I will add they have had a lot of injuries for two years running.  I SUSPECT that is because their practices are "soft" and they don't get used to hitting at full speed.
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2018, 04:39:48 PM »
I will further add every time I watch them play they miss tackles like crazy, poor form, poor angles, arm tackles, stopping a guy at the LOS and he still gets 4 yards, everything, again, soft practices.
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