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Topic: North Carolina hires Mack Brown

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longhorn320

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2018, 09:05:12 PM »
I will further add every time I watch them play they miss tackles like crazy, poor form, poor angles, arm tackles, stopping a guy at the LOS and he still gets 4 yards, everything, again, soft practices.
they just need a few more Texas boys
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2018, 10:18:14 AM »
I read on a Tar Heels fan forum that they're unimpressed with Greg Robinson.   

You know, I don't underestimate the guy anymore.

When Carl Reese resigned and Mack Brown brought in Greg Robinson, I was like "OMG!  Are you kidding me?"  

That's because the last time I saw the guy Peyton Manning and the Colts had destroyed his KC Chiefs in a first round AFC playoff game.   I thought we were doomed.

But you know, he and Dick Tomey instilled a toughness in Texas football that had been missing in Mack's first five seasons.  Texas took a big step.   I loved what Greg Robinson did for the Horns.

Then in 2013 when Mack fired Manny and plugged Greg Robinson in as the DC starting with game three, I thought there was no way he could turn things around.

Towards the end of the season, I started worrying he was going to save Mack's job.

So I have no doubts about Greg Robinson.  Looks like Mack wants him to mentor Tommy Thigpen before he (Robinson) gets his recurring wanderlust and wanders off.

Looks like a very sound plan to me.  Tar Heel fans just don't understand.

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2018, 10:24:16 AM »
The neighboring programs like Clemson and Georgia cherry pick North Carolina of most top recruits (think Todd Gurley) and what's left get spread out over NCSU/UNC/Duke/Wake Forest.  A 3-4 star guy is more apt to go to NCSU than UNC in football.  They aren't going to appeal in general to many out of staters who are known commodities either.

MB is at least a name and may tilt a few, as I noted, but whether he can coach them up remains to be seen.  Fortunately the base line is very low, and the ACC is a bunch of mediocre teams  in similar shape and Clemson.

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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2018, 10:36:50 AM »
Yup.  UNC isn't going to displace Clemson, but it's not going to take much to rise into the top 1/4 of that conference and get to 5-3 or even 6-2 on an annual basis.  They have some tough marquee OOC opponents over the next few years (South Carolina, Notre Dame, Auburn), but going 3-1 in their OOC still gets them to 8-4 overall, maybe 9-3 in a really good year.  Which is a completely reasonable expectation, IMO.

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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2018, 10:56:15 AM »
Dabo threatened to leave Clemson

could be Mack's conference if that happened
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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2018, 11:22:00 AM »
Dabo threatened to leave Clemson

could be Mack's conference if that happened
There will always be one conference foe Mack can't get over or around.  In the ACC it was Bobby Bowden.  In the Big 12 it was Bob Stoops.
That's why he always talks about ten-win seasons instead of conference championships.
It irks me to no end.  
There are so many reasons to love Mack Brown, but just about every preceding Texas head coach won as many or more conference championships than he did - and over a much shorter span of time.
Mackovic won or shared 3 in 6 years.  McWilliams, dismal as he was, won one over 5 years.  Akers won 2 in 10.  DKR 11 in 20.  Ed Price 2 in 6.  Blair Cherry 1 in 4.  Dana Bible 2 in 10.  Clyde Littlefield 2 in 7.   Berry Whitaker 1 in 3.  William Juneau 1 in 3.  Eugene Van Gent 1 in 1.  Dave Adderdice 2 in 5.  
The only ones who didn't win conference championships were EJ Stewart and Jack Chevigny and they were only allowed to stay 3 and 4 years respectively, much like Charlie Strong.
Somehow the mission crept under DeLoss and Mack.  To DeLoss, money was more important.  To Mack it was 10 win seasons.
I can't believe how they let him languish from 1999 through 2003.

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« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2018, 11:40:31 AM »
happens to many very good, but not great elite coaches

Barry was the guy for Osborne

Woody was the guy for Bo

Urban is now the guy for Harbaugh

Saban is that guy in the SEC

Dabo is the guy in the ACC

the common thread is that all those guys recruited at the highest level and then let those superior athletes play w/o screwing it up
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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2018, 11:59:06 AM »
Yep!

Only time we could prevail was when VY was there and later McCoy to Shipley.  Without those three we might've never won a Big 12 championship.

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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2018, 11:59:39 AM »
Did you know Colt McCoy and Jordan Shipley's fathers were college roommates?

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2018, 12:39:00 PM »
I did not.

Imagine UNC is 5-7 next year and 7-5 the next, it's possible, that is even quite modest.  Brown would be seen as a hero, and they'd be primed for a new coach from Appy State or somewhere.

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2018, 02:05:36 PM »
Are there any coaches in the ACC named Bob or Bobby?  That seems to be Mack's downfall.

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2018, 06:32:54 PM »
Texas under Mack would sometimes quit if they got far behind, but I really don't think this was Mack's fault, except possibly when he let the QB controversy (Simms vs Applewhite) go on too long for Texas.  Weren't these blowouts kind of unique to playing against OU though?  I don't remember Texas folding against teams other than Oklahoma.  OU's offense was always high powered under Bobby, with really really good QB's (two Heismans, and one near Heisman) going for us in those years, and some good backs and O-lines too.  I think that explained some of those RRS blowouts.  Texas otherwise had a stellar defense and could keep the opposing offense contained in those years, and they did it against OU a few times too (like that 16-13 game).

So far my read is that Mack is a better coach than Herman, because this year at least you often see Texas quitting when they're ahead.  The fourth quarter seems like no man's land to this Texas team.  I looked recently at their box scores, and the following teams outscored Texas in the fourth quarter, some of whom by a lot: Maryland, Tulsa!, KSU, OU, WVU, TT, ISU and KU.  That's 8 out of 12, and including all two of the three losses, in which the fourth quarter was when the game was decided.

I'm sincere in saying that this throws me, because one of the things I used to admire about Texas was their ability to come back.  I remember all those comebacks under Mack over Oklahoma State for example.  Mack had some really impressive Texas teams and such a great run.  One of the better coaches I've ever seen.  Rivalry aside, I really admire him.  
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2018, 08:26:15 PM »
Texas under Mack would sometimes quit if they got far behind, but I really don't think this was Mack's fault, except possibly when he let the QB controversy (Simms vs Applewhite) go on too long for Texas.  Weren't these blowouts kind of unique to playing against OU though?  I don't remember Texas folding against teams other than Oklahoma.  OU's offense was always high powered under Bobby, with really really good QB's (two Heismans, and one near Heisman) going for us in those years, and some good backs and O-lines too.  I think that explained some of those RRS blowouts.  Texas otherwise had a stellar defense and could keep the opposing offense contained in those years, and they did it against OU a few times too (like that 16-13 game).

So far my read is that Mack is a better coach than Herman, because this year at least you often see Texas quitting when they're ahead.  The fourth quarter seems like no man's land to this Texas team.  I looked recently at their box scores, and the following teams outscored Texas in the fourth quarter, some of whom by a lot: Maryland, Tulsa!, KSU, OU, WVU, TT, ISU and KU.  That's 8 out of 12, and including all two of the three losses, in which the fourth quarter was when the game was decided.

I'm sincere in saying that this throws me, because one of the things I used to admire about Texas was their ability to come back.  I remember all those comebacks under Mack over Oklahoma State for example.  Mack had some really impressive Texas teams and such a great run.  One of the better coaches I've ever seen.  Rivalry aside, I really admire him.  
Not sure why you think that
We have lost 3 games by a total of 8 points combined
Ive seen no quit in this team
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2018, 09:39:43 PM »
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Mack had some really impressive Texas teams and such a great run.  One of the better coaches I've ever seen.  Rivalry aside, I really admire him.   

Well said Freddie. It just shows how shitty Texas fans can be even when their teams are terrific.

Damn, at least give the man credit for recruiting vy and Shipley et al. He certainly had our number on the field and on the recruiting trail.

Seriously guys Stoops is probably one of the all time greats in cfb but boo freakin hoo that Mack failed to get over that hump. He played for 4 conference titles, won 2, and tied one division that I know of. Not to mention playing for the mnc twice but ONLY winning one.

You do realize Mack has the same amount of mnc s that Bob has right?  

You guys deserve to lose tomorrow. Sheesh.
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