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utee94

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #868 on: October 25, 2023, 04:56:00 PM »
I don't remember much of the trash-talking. I'm not saying that it didn't happen. Maybe I wasn't paying close attention because he wasn't talking about my school. Maybe My memory is fallible.
Re the grudge, who's holding it?
Well, yeah, of course.  I'm not surprised you wouldn't remember, why would you? 

Anyway, if you'd like to start a thread about Tom Osborne, feel free.  I don't feel the need to discuss it any further on the Texas football thread.  I was merely comparing the grudge-holding capability of DeLoss Dodds and Tom Osborne, both proved themselves quite adept.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #869 on: October 25, 2023, 05:40:39 PM »
The question against BYU is how many headlocks will they be allowed to put the Longhorn DL in? 

1-5 -- should be fine
6-10 -- harder to overcome
11+ -- getting into the equivalent of -2 in TO margin

I'd recommend a wrestling pro be brought in to give a seminar on how to escape sleeper holds.  

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« Reply #870 on: October 25, 2023, 07:54:21 PM »
Ha!  Indeed.

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« Reply #871 on: October 26, 2023, 11:13:33 AM »
This oughta do it.

I mean, some of BYU's holds were more blatant that this, but this should be a good primer to get the DL started.  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fITANAywSS8

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #872 on: October 26, 2023, 11:17:14 AM »
This oughta do it.

I mean, some of BYU's holds were more blatant that this, but this should be a good primer to get the DL started. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fITANAywSS8
I just forwarded this video to Sark, hopefully it'll pay off!

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #873 on: October 29, 2023, 09:28:32 AM »
I only got to see about half the game in between tasks whilst volunteering with my daughter's band.  Defense looked good overall, aside from giving up some yardage in mostly prevent formations.

Maalik looked... like he needs a lot of polish.  He seems to have a good head for the game though.  

I sure hope we get Ewers back soon though, it's a different team without him.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #874 on: October 29, 2023, 09:58:40 AM »
sooners - 11 penalties for 101 yards vs Kansas
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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #875 on: October 29, 2023, 03:19:06 PM »
Yup the B12 ref fuckery continues.

This is not a hold (unless Texas were on offense):


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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #876 on: October 29, 2023, 06:38:49 PM »
95 shoulda watched the video I provided on escaping from a headlock.  His fault, really. 

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #877 on: October 29, 2023, 06:46:41 PM »
My take on the game has two main themes

thank goodness our defense showed up as they saved our bacon several times

Our coaches kinda tied Murphy into a handoff role when in the red zone
not sure why
this is a very talented kid and can score if given a chance
he will be better each additional game
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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #878 on: October 30, 2023, 09:20:23 AM »
Yup the B12 ref fuckery continues.

This is not a hold (unless Texas were on offense):



This play did draw a flag. I was excited, because of the dead obvious holding in the end zone. That counts as a safety.
The flag was on the right tackle for hands to the face. It was called at the 3 yard line, so accepting that penalty would just have given BYU a repeat of 3rd down at the 1.5 yard line. Texas, of course, declined the penalty.

Maalik gave a very credible, but expectedly freshman, performance. The turnovers stand out, of course, but he corrected those.
What he'll need to ingrain in his head this week is to step into every throw. BYU wanted to muddy his pocket with pressures. He obligingly started throwing jump passes off his back foot.

Texas won't be able spam the running game against KSU, so he'll need to be the driver this week.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #879 on: October 30, 2023, 11:56:19 AM »
This is not a Longhorn rant only, but it was a good example of something I see a lot of which I don't like. 

Twice down at the goal line Sark went for it on 4th down got stuffed for no points.  This is the world of analytics.  Don't even get me started on that.  Nevertheless, assuming coaches aren't using analytics incorrectly or making narrow, specific decisions based on generalized metrics, there's still something to be said for game management. 

I didn't really care the first time.  Don't want to kick a FG?  Fine, go for it.  Maybe you get it and BYU loses all hope.  If you get stopped, oh well.  The second time was different.  It's 21-6 with less than 2:00 to go in the 3rd quarter.  At this point I don't care what the analytics say, you kick the FG to make it a 3-possession game.  Given the game flow, whatever your chances of success are, it's still less than BYU scoring on 3 consecutive possessions.  And it almost certainly needs to be consecutive possessions, because there's not that much time left.  And, given that they stuffed you before, you can't just "play the odds," you have to recognize that something is going on out there that caused you not to pick up the yardage, and saying "F it, our percentages go up this time because we didn't make it last time" is tempting, but flat wrong.  

But the risk/reward is the main thing.  The reward is almost certain, and severe...meaning, you go a long, long way toward guaranteeing victory.  The risk is....not immense, because again, your defense has been playing well, but you're still passing up a sure thing for style points.  Get stopped again, awesome, now it's still a 2 score game.  The fact BYU couldn't score is irrelevant, it was the wrong call.  The more time winds down, the more important taking points becomes if you can increase the number of possessions required for a team to come back and beat you. 

I've seen this so much, and then it goes on to bite the team in the butt enough times to make me wonder why not incorporate some good ol' fashioned game management along with those fancy analytics.  Not a ton, mind you.  Texas is case in point....it didn't hurt them at all.  But why even put yourself at risk for being one of those more rare times when it does indeed bite you?  

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #880 on: October 30, 2023, 12:12:22 PM »
There's a lot of truth to what you're saying. Going up by three scores greatly changes BYU's plan for winning. It never was likely, but needing to score points on three unanswered possessions would be devastating.

College football "analytics" would have to be specific to each team and each opponent. In a professional setting, there's more of a convergence of talent and style. College football (and why I prefer it) has much more "we do this well, and the opponent doesn't do that well" situations. In that particular situation, giving the ball back to BYU that close to the goal line put them in an ugly quandary. They have a lot of plays that might work, but those same plays also run a real risk of losing 2 yards. They could try that at the 25 and play 2nd and 12 if they had to. On the 1, that's a safety. The likelihood was that they'd struggle to get traction, waste time, and give the ball back either via punt (and the chaos of return) or TO.

My point being that there can't be a dispassionate manual that a coach can go to and think, "The data says to do this,". College football just has too many subjective variables for such a determination.

Now, leaving that, perhaps Texas would find more success if they stopped bunching big guys together and trying to power into the end zone? As I see it, that gives the defense too much of a "just push really hard right here and hope someone falls over" advantage. A more spread formation, even that close in, forces the defense to cover more ground, puts lighter bodies out there, and increases the odds that the OL can beat the guy in front of them.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #881 on: October 30, 2023, 12:17:42 PM »
I don't think Sark was using analytics-- I think he's being overly emotional.  He's allowing the passion and intensity of the moment to influence his decision making.

Thankfully it didn't cost Texas the BYU game.

Arguably, it did cost Texas the OU game, or at least significantly harmed Texas' chances at winning.

Regardless I don't like it and I want it to stop.

 

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