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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #588 on: September 13, 2023, 03:44:57 PM »
Wyoming is a solid team but UT has better personnel everywhere and the Horns don't have to go play at 7,000 ft.
Weird things can happen but I can't see the Horns losing this one.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #589 on: September 13, 2023, 03:47:00 PM »
Sooners play Tulsa this weekend.  Tulsa's HC is Kevin Wilson who was OU's OC when Brent Venables was OU's DC.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #590 on: September 13, 2023, 04:47:00 PM »
I expect a let down.  Hopefully the practice reps and some team discipline will carry them through.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #591 on: September 13, 2023, 04:52:03 PM »
A let down could mean a slowish start, maybe 1Q ends up 7-3 and then it's 13-6 at the half and then 34-13 as a final score.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #592 on: September 13, 2023, 05:09:35 PM »
I mention Mike Tyson's old trainer Cus D'Amato far too often. He makes the point that usually, when fatigue sets in, it's mental fatigue rather than physical.

When Texas started their game killing drive, once they'd gotten their first 1st down, Alabama broke. They mentally didn't want any more. That led to the seas (Tide?) parting on Brooks's 14 yard jog on 3rd and 7.

I believe Texas learned how hard you have to hit when you play with the contenders. It's all good to talk about "max effort", but now they've done it and posted a W. I feel like they'll want more. Playing under control will be more important against Wyoming than relaxing.

I still need to know if those rodeo-style holds will be the expected norm in the SEC, or if that's only for Alabama's benefit?

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« Reply #593 on: September 13, 2023, 06:08:06 PM »
I still need to know if those rodeo-style holds will be the expected norm in the SEC, or if that's only for Alabama's benefit?
Heh, the B12 has always allowed Tech and OU to get away with them too, so nothing new there.

I did love it when on one of our sacks of the Alabama QB, the Texas defender who ultimately made the play was held badly, wrestled to the ground (of course no call), but then dragged himself back up partially off the ground, lunged at the QB, and nailed him.  Talk about max effort, it was truly an amazing study in sheer force of will.


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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #594 on: September 13, 2023, 06:37:10 PM »
Heh, the B12 has always allowed Tech and OU to get away with them too, so nothing new there.

I did love it when on one of our sacks of the Alabama QB, the Texas defender who ultimately made the play was held badly, wrestled to the ground (of course no call), but then dragged himself back up partially off the ground, lunged at the QB, and nailed him.  Talk about max effort, it was truly an amazing study in sheer force of will.


I remember that play and his effort was amazing
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« Reply #595 on: September 13, 2023, 06:39:11 PM »
I remember that play and his effort was amazing
I was trying to see if someone had captured video of just that play somewhere online but can't find it.  Tomorrow I think I'll have time to watch the whole game again, and maybe I'll screen-capture once I find out when it happened.

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« Reply #596 on: September 13, 2023, 07:54:06 PM »
I was trying to see if someone had captured video of just that play somewhere online but can't find it.  Tomorrow I think I'll have time to watch the whole game again, and maybe I'll screen-capture once I find out when it happened.
I also have it saved but dont know how to do all that fancy stuff
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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #597 on: September 14, 2023, 10:53:17 AM »
I never understood the infatuation that some folks had with the PAC-12.  I guess LA and SF and Seattle are nice travel destinations, but the truth is that the vast majority of fans don't travel to away games.  And when I DO travel, it's always to games that are closer, in Houston or Dallas or Waco or even Lubbock.  I don't go to Ames or Manhattan or Lawrence and I wouldn't be going to LA or SF or Seattle.

And as for on-field level of play, the B12 has long been superior to the PAC.  USC is the only helmet in that conference and therefore the only team I'd ever feel excited about playing, but we accomplished that anyway by scheduling a home-and-home with them.

Anyway, just my $0.02 on the idea of the PAC-16.  I'm glad it never happened.

JG was all about it.  Unfortunately he's not here anymore to explain the attraction.  

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« Reply #598 on: September 14, 2023, 10:55:31 AM »

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #599 on: September 14, 2023, 11:03:28 AM »
The Pac at one point was a fairly shiny object for folks who liked a conference with good academics.  I think those folks forgot about the importance of money.  The Pac even today has something like 8 teams ranked, so they are/were a decent looking football conference with USC asleep.

When it fell apart, it of course happened dramatically.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #600 on: September 14, 2023, 11:12:30 AM »
I still need to know if those rodeo-style holds will be the expected norm in the SEC, or if that's only for Alabama's benefit?

That has been......not uncommon.....when it comes to the Gumps.  Many, many times during our epic battles Alabama has blatantly, comically even, held our guys in clutch moments with no calls.  In 2012 one of our DEs was giving their RT hell all day and at one point the OL form-tackled the end.  Not a hold.  Looked like a LB demonstrating a textbook wrap-up on a RB.  I remember the DE sitting on the ground right in front of the ref waiting for the flag, and then continuing to sit there laughing when he realized it wasn't coming.  That was in Baton Rouge.  In 2013 in Tuscaloosa, things got so bad at one point their center put our NT in a headlock.  There were memes made....gifs, still-shots, you name it, video evidence for anybody who missed it on live tv.....no call for, or many others.  There have been many, many, such plays, but those two are kind of the poster-plays for LSU fans who think the refs are out to get them when playing Bama.  

I tend to hold to the opinion "Never ascribe to malice what can be attributed to incompetence."  I think the refs are human and have a lot of human biases, and like many of us, they don't always successfully get past those biases.  Alabama is known to have outstanding OLs and fill up the NFL at those positions.  The refs know this and it likely affects their thinking whether they realize it or not.  Because they're supposed to be good, I think it's harder for refs to "see" when penalties are happening.  As proof, I've frequently offered the similar example of LSU dbs, during a decade+ when LSU has a crazy string of great dbs.  I think any objective person would say that sure, those players were great, and also they got away with more mild PI than average.  The poster play for that--well, not even that, this would be an example of something blatantly flagrantly wrong that went uncalled--is probably the playoff game vs. Oklahoma when the DB grabbed, tugged, and then started tackling the Sooner WR (I think Ceedee Lamb, but I'm not sure) way before the ball got there....with no call.  Those weren't SEC refs, but the same principle applies....LSU was known to have great DBs, and I think that affects the zebras' thinking.  

Another thing it seems I see a lot of is sort of a sympathy-balance type of thing.  i.e., when something gets real lopsided and a team starts "cheating" to compensate, refs basically cave and refuse to call something every play.  In the FSU opener this year, our DL was breaking through their OL frighteningly well, at times.  They held us like some mofos when that happened.  No calls.  I think the refs kind of decide "we can't flag them every play or it will look like we're interfering by killing their down and distance, and besides, we might get their QB hurt."  Mind you, that wasn't every play and I doubt we'd have won even if it had been called, but it happened repetitively in spurts.  

So I think that's not so much an Alabama thing as it is a state-of-the-game thing.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #601 on: September 14, 2023, 11:18:14 AM »
Maybe think of it this way.

If refs actually do call it every time, and force the team in trouble not to hold, they know they'll get a game similar to what Dallas just did to the Giants.  That's what it looks like when one team overwhelms an O-line, the O-line isn't allowed to hold, and a QB gets pummeled.  

I'm of the opinion that cfb refs are unwilling to facilitate that.  

 

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