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Topic: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take

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Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« on: June 21, 2022, 12:06:46 PM »
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Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas, man who once saved conference, gives his take
Neinas, 90, is a decade removed from his year-long term as interim commissioner of the Big 12.
By Kevin Sherrington
6:00 AM on Jun 20, 2022

Chuck Neinas ran the Final Four, College World Series, Big Eight and the visionary outfit that wrested the TV remote from the hands of the NCAA, turning college football into a money-making machine in the process. He sat on the USOC’s board of directors and chaired the NCAA Olympic and International Relations Committee. No job was too big. DeLoss Dodds once called him “the best administrator I’ve seen in 30 years in college athletics.”

And Texas’ former athletic director made that proclamation before his old boss pulled off his greatest trick of all:

Bailed out the Big 12, even as lifeboats were being lowered.

Feel like trying it again, Chuck?

“No [expletive] way,” he said.

Neinas, a robust 90 and living with his wife in blissful retirement in Colorado, is a decade removed from his year-long term as interim commissioner of the Big 12. In case you’ve forgotten, the league had nearly fallen apart twice in the 15 months prior to his installation. A quarter of its membership had already jumped ship or was sneaking toward the railings. Given what seemed inevitable for the Big 12 at the time, yours truly prepared for the worst. Still got the obit around here somewhere.

By the time Neinas handed the reins to Bob Bowlsby in 2012, the league had been stabilized. Neinas got everyone to sign a grant-of-rights through 2025 that kept anyone else from leaving, because if they did, it meant forfeiting their TV revenues to the league. The agreements reassured FOX and CBS. Also helped that Neinas presided over the additions of TCU and West Virginia, the latter of which may not have been his finest moment, come to think of it.

But it all held together, and against all odds, at least until Texas and Oklahoma decided to walk.

Neinas — who has remained in touch because of his curiosity and work ethic, not to mention a consulting firm that once placed Mack Brown at Texas and Bob Stoops at Oklahoma and filled more vacancies than an Airbnb — doesn’t think the Big 12 is in any danger of going under this time. The additions of BYU, Houston, Cincinnati and UCF mean it will remain a viable league.

“Number one, they got the four best schools that were left,” he said. “There’s no argument. They don’t have the same marketability without OU and Texas, but it’s going to be a strong conference, and I think they will play very good and entertaining football. And in basketball, the Big 12 will be even better. They are not going to be any softer than the Pac-12 or ACC.

“What is going to screw things up is the TV contract that the Big Ten and SEC are going to have compared to the rest.”

Just guessing, but think somewhere in the neighborhood of $20-$30 million more per school.

Instead of just the haves and have-nots in D1, we will shortly see a middle class, where the Big 12 will reside in perpetuity.

So no 64-school consortium of 16-team super conferences and a divorce from the NCAA? Not with the money the SEC and Big Ten will be bagging, Neinas said. They’ll have no desire to divide it any further. Meaning expansion by the other leagues is probably moot.

As for growing the College Football Playoff to 12 teams, Neinas thinks it’s a “done deal,” despite the fact the Big Ten and ACC gave it the kibosh in favor of an eight-team model instead. Neinas finds the ACC’s stance ironic. A bigger field stands to benefit that league’s prospects the most. But the ACC, Pac 12 and Big Ten still said no, and because it required a unanimous vote before the contract expires in 2026, that was that.

“The fact that you’ve got to get a unanimous vote is ridiculous,” Neinas said. “You can’t even get a unanimous vote on adjournment.”

So why is a 12-team model a done deal?

“That’s what the SEC wants,” Neinas said. “And the Big Ten, too. Unfortunately, the Big Ten has a new commissioner.

“If Jim Delany was still there, it’d be done.”

Funny what a connected commissioner can do. Of course, sometimes matters are beyond even the brightest minds. Like when the old Southwest Conference came to an end. The popular opinion is that Texas got tired of dragging around all the have-nots. Neinas, who was in the room, says it was all ESPN. The Big Eight and SWC had decided to sell their TV rights jointly, and ESPN was agreeable. But the only schools it wanted from the SWC were Texas and Texas A&M.

Next thing you know, the governor and lieutenant governor intervene, and Texas Tech and Baylor win reprieves.

The Big 12 was a big-league operation, too, at least until the defections. Neinas objected to A&M’s exit at the time because it weakened the league, and the Aggies left their roots in a local league. But at least they’re competitive.

“The ones you gotta question are Missouri and Nebraska,” he said. “Do you know why Missouri is in the East and not the West? LSU and Alabama wouldn’t vote to take them unless they put them in the East. Who in the SEC cares about Missouri? And Nebraska’s program has gone south. Just think if A&M and Nebraska and Missouri hadn’t left the Big 12. You can forget Colorado.

“Just think. Oklahoma and Texas probably wouldn’t be leaving now.”

Nothing to be done about that. Just like NIL. The NCAA can’t impose any parameters, Neinas said, because of anti-trust concerns.

“I don’t know what they can do, to be honest,” he said.

And if Chuck Neinas doesn’t know what to do, who does? He has “great concerns” for college athletics, but, for the first time in more than 60 years, he’s not in charge of anything anymore. He put in his time, and he enjoyed it, but it’s someone else’s responsibility now.

He claims he doesn’t know the identity of the next Big 12 commissioner. Frankly, I don’t know whether to believe him. He says no one’s asked for his advice. If that’s true, someone ought to. For that matter, somebody should offer him the job straight up. Worked out pretty well last time. Maybe you could catch him on a day he’s bored. But if his wife answers, hang up.
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Re: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2022, 12:51:02 PM »
Interesting, and sounds about right.

I wonder if the SEC should split into two conferences, aligned somehow, but separate.

I guess that's called divisions.

I've never seen such rapid changes in the large landscape of CFB with more to come, no doubt.

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Re: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2022, 12:59:09 PM »
I never considered the actual definition of the term before. Now, I agree that the new Big 12 will most likely "survive". They'll survive because there's no other options.

I believe the Big 12 will play entertaining, competitive football that nobody will watch. It will be so competitive that their champion will likely have losses every season (not unusual - most leagues do). They'll be good enough that they'll have a tough time finding takers for serious OOC games. The Kentuckys and Washingtons might play a Tech or a TCU, but a "name" program won't risk it.

The new Big 12 should draw acceptable contract dollars. As long as they don't get envious of other leagues, it should be sufficient to keep the departments running in the black. Not sure how long WVU will want to travel to BYU under those conditions, though.


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Re: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2022, 01:05:06 PM »
Have the elite programs often scheduled any of the KSU's and TCUs in the regular?

Arkansas is playing Cincy this season.

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Re: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2022, 01:25:52 PM »
Have the elite programs often scheduled any of the KSU's and TCUs in the regular?

Arkansas is playing Cincy this season.
The following teams have played Kansas State over the past decade: Miami, Stanford, and Mississippi State. Those aren't bluebloods, but they often field good teams.
Go back another decade and you find USC, UCLA, and Cal playing K-State.
I'm sure that there's at least one elite program in there somewhere.
As for TCU, since joining the Big 12, they've played Ohio State, Arkansas, Virginia, and Purdue.
I think Badge hit it on the nose when he said that elite programs don't want to schedule Wisconsin. That's the kind of program a blueblood is reluctant to schedule. You don't get the fan base or the poll voters energized with a win, and yet it's the kind of program that can kick your team's ass on a given Saturday.
I think I've read that Cincy has lost of lot of its key players from last year.
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Re: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2022, 01:28:23 PM »
This from the OP flies in the face of all that is right and good.


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Like when the old Southwest Conference came to an end. The popular opinion is that Texas got tired of dragging around all the have-nots. Neinas, who was in the room, says it was all ESPN. The Big Eight and SWC had decided to sell their TV rights jointly, and ESPN was agreeable. But the only schools it wanted from the SWC were Texas and Texas A&M.
That just can't be true!


I'll stick with Texas being the villain of the story.  :86:
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Re: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2022, 01:31:06 PM »
I never considered the actual definition of the term before. Now, I agree that the new Big 12 will most likely "survive". They'll survive because there's no other options.

I believe the Big 12 will play entertaining, competitive football that nobody will watch. It will be so competitive that their champion will likely have losses every season (not unusual - most leagues do). They'll be good enough that they'll have a tough time finding takers for serious OOC games. The Kentuckys and Washingtons might play a Tech or a TCU, but a "name" program won't risk it.

The new Big 12 should draw acceptable contract dollars. As long as they don't get envious of other leagues, it should be sufficient to keep the departments running in the black. Not sure how long WVU will want to travel to BYU under those conditions, though.
WVU is the geographical outlier that hasn't made much sense from the start. Not because of anything wrong with the school or its athletic programs--just its remoteness from the rest of the conference.
I wonder if BYU will be much the same.
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Re: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2022, 01:31:40 PM »
UGA scheduled H&A series with UCLA, Louisville, and FSU.  I think those teams can beat you on a given day also.

I'm not mentioning Clemson, Ohio State, OU, and Texas because those programs do get juices flowing.  Of course, how good a team will be when the game is played 5-10 years after being scheduled is an unknown.


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Re: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2022, 02:07:48 PM »
UGA scheduled H&A series with UCLA, Louisville, and FSU.  I think those teams can beat you on a given day also.

I'm not mentioning Clemson, Ohio State, OU, and Texas because those programs do get juices flowing.  Of course, how good a team will be when the game is played 5-10 years after being scheduled is an unknown.
Yeah, you never know how a team will be when the game is finally played, and nowadays it's more like 15 years down the road from the scheduling agreement.
But . . . you can figure that USC is probably going to be a tougher opponent than UCLA.  I'm not picking on UGA here.  OU has had two H&H series with UCLA over the last 20 years, and my response has been to wish that we had scheduled USC instead.  The Trojans have a big ugly scoreboard on the Sooners that needs to be rectified.
UCLA is tied with Washington for 2nd in number of conference championships in the PCC/Pac-8/Pac-10/Pac-12.  But USC has more conference championships than UCLA and UW put together (37 vs. 17/17).
OU and Georgia are scheduled to play in 2023 and 2031. It seems probable that OU and Texas will still be in the Big 12 in 2023, but what will become of the 2031 game scheduled for Athens?  A "we owe you guys a favor down the pike"?
OU also has an odd singleton scheduled with Tennessee in 2024. It's in Knoxville. I think the game in Norman was lost in the COVID year.
And so was our return game to Army. I was really looking forward to taking my esposita to a game at Michie Stadium.
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Re: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2022, 02:12:04 PM »
My point is UCLA is roughly the same as Wisconsin.

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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2022, 02:34:51 PM »
Ah. Maybe so.

UCLA might even have a better overall history than Wisconsin does.  The Bruins have 3 more conference championships.
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Re: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2022, 02:42:06 PM »
I think scheduling UCLA suffers about the same risks as scheduling Wisconsin, or Louisville, or FSU, or Baylor, ...  it's not a marquis opponent historically, but good enough to deal you a L.  If you schedule and lose to Ohio State or OU, there is some "glory" in it, and you get publicity.  Wisconsin is playing LSU as I recall, curiously not on campus, which I find bizarre for a H&A series.

ND wishes they had not scheduled Cincy last year I imagine.  

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2022, 04:32:19 PM »
. . . ND wishes they had not scheduled Cincy last year I imagine.
Yep.

That's a good example.
OU scheduling Houston for 2016 is another.
You can recover from a loss to a blueblood.
Not so much when the loss is to a 2nd- (or 3rd-) tier program.
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Re: Is Big 12 in danger? Chuck Neinas gives his take
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2022, 05:29:29 PM »
Of course, had ND made the playoffs, the outcome could well have been to their detriment anyway.

 

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