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This is two games that the Horns have lost now, and after both of them, Horn posters here have managed to insinuate that the other team was cheating.
Not a good look.

Your own coaches as mentioned above by Thumper said they intentionally instructed OU players to cheat.  Is that a good look?  Good Lord, get over yourself.

Well, the refs would have to call it, first.  That would be the first stab at deterrence.

OU's o-line has held profusely since Mike Leach first installed it.  And they've not been called for it.  There's a certain point where, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  I will say that I noticed our o-line holding some in the game this year, and don't recall them getting called for it either.  So perhaps we're starting to go there.

It's no different than the soccer-flopping, really.  Just another technique to get an edge, and if it's not going to have any negative consequences, why wouldn't you do it?

Sucks but that's the way it is.  Sportsmanship is long gone.

I started noticing in our game that the Horn LT (Cosmi?) has SUPERB holding technique.  And I don't mean that as a backhanded insult.  I was completely impressed with it....no shade.  He has NFL type holds, NFL level too.  When you get your hand inside the plates like that and grab some jersey, sure, it's technically a hold, but no ref is going to call that, and he does it as well as I've seen it done.  Can't stress enough this is not a joke.  He knows what he's doing, and it's good coaching.  

I started noticing in our game that the Horn LT (Cosmi?) has SUPERB holding technique.  And I don't mean that as a backhanded insult.  I was completely impressed with it....no shade.  He has NFL type holds, NFL level too.  When you get your hand inside the plates like that and grab some jersey, sure, it's technically a hold, but no ref is going to call that, and he does it as well as I've seen it done.  Can't stress enough this is not a joke.  He knows what he's doing, and it's good coaching. 

Like it or not, "inside the jersey holding" is nothing new, it's been an accepted part of the game for a couple decades at this point.  That's not what I'm talking about, at least, can't speak for anyone else.

There's a lot of other holding that gets by, or doesn't, and the inconsistency in how that part is called, or not, is what drives fans crazy.  Or at least, drive me crazy.

Like it or not, "inside the jersey holding" is nothing new, it's been an accepted part of the game for a couple decades at this point.  That's not what I'm talking about, at least, can't speak for anyone else.

There's a lot of other holding that gets by, or doesn't, and the inconsistency in how that part is called, or not, is what drives fans crazy.  Or at least, drive me crazy.

No, of course it's not new.  I'm saying Cosmi is the best I've seen at it in quite a while.  It is NFL level.  He knows exactly what flies and what doesn't.  Most college tackles struggle with that and either get greedy and get a flag, or they scare themselves off of it.  There is a delicate balance, and yall's LT has it.  

I've tried to be clear in stating that Texas lost because of poor OL play and a putrid defensive scheme executed in an even more putrid fashion.

"Cheating" is when you gain some advantage outside of the rules unavailabile to anyone else. I even stated that this is my favorite Big 12 official crew. They're not crooked or overly incompetent. On Saturday, they were inclined to let more holding go on and let the receivers battle the DBs. I only mention it because, on another day, the 6' 6" Texas receivers would have simply played jump ball against the defense.

Someone had a great description of the Orlando's Texas defense. I thought of CWS immediately. He described it as a German Field Marshall's plan - hopelessly intricate and tactically brilliant, but not executable by the players on the field.

And, while I appreciate the heroic efforts, it wasn't necessary for Devin Duvernay to attempt to return Every.Single.Kick. With today's rules, the 25 is a very generous spot. Take the free yards and save the uncertainty until the score and clock necessitate the increased risk.

And yes, Sam Cosmi is an elite LT. Part of being an elite LT is knowing how to grab a defender that didn't do his job right. As a defender, you keep those big boys off you. If they want to go shoulder to shoulder, lock them up and dance.

Did they?  I don't catch that much unless a guy has gotten around his man and he's being held from behind.  The normal jersey grabbing stuff is not something I'm usually paying attention to.  

Both sides were definitely holding in the LSU/Florida game last weekend.  I didn't notice, but the fans from both sides have been posting some pretty damning clips.  Refs were lax on that one, but at least they were consistent and let it go both ways.   

All part of our cheating package.