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Big XII Realignment
« on: July 26, 2021, 07:36:50 AM »
Should Texas and or Oklahoma leave for the SEC what happens to the Big XII?

I can see the Big XII adding a couple teams such as Houston and SMU.  Might they add a few others such as Rice, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico?  
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2021, 07:48:20 AM »
UH, SMU no. They’re football program has mostly been in shambles for decades. They don’t need another small private Christian school with no fan base. 

North Texas may have better potential but I don’t see it. Best they can do is convince a few AAC teams and go on name recognition. But in reality they’ll probably simply fold up and cease to exist just like the SWC and Big East. 

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2021, 09:01:18 AM »
won't be a P5 conference

will only be 4 power conferences

a couple programs may be lucky enuff to get an invite and jump to the Big or PAC, maybe not
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2021, 09:19:55 AM »
No, it won’t be power 5 but it will still be a quasi power 5 group. I’m fairly certain that no team has ever been demoted from power 5 to g5 unless you count the old big East teams. 

So you’re going to have some teams that are major state university’s that have much more to offer than your typical G5 teams. We’ve already seen that there are lots of G5 teams that can compete on a very high level.  oSu for instance would compare very well to the lower tier P5 schools like MSU and Vanderbilt. Perhaps IU from the B10 and Northwestern. 

I think if the B12 is smart they will try to pickup 4 of the best remaining G5 teams and schedule smartly. 

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2021, 10:04:36 AM »
Something else that will be uncomfortable is the scheduling.  It will be a hard pill to swallow if one of the former P5 Big 12 teams have to agree to a two for one when scheduling P5 teams.  I'm not sure if they will have to do that or not, but it's pretty standard practice to have two games played at the P5 hosts stadium and one at the G5 stadium or sometimes even a neutral site.  I guess they will have to work those issues out and maybe they can have a little bit better negotiating tactics than the smaller schools.  

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2021, 10:47:14 AM »
all negotiations will be uncomfortable because the remaining Big 12 teams will have no more leverage than SMU or Houston, and not just scheduling

it's sad, but reality of small markets and the power of money 
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2021, 12:17:31 PM »
While augmenting the Big 12 is possible, the larger probability is that several more schools will find homes in other conferences. There's value in several other ADs that could be added to other conferences trying to, while not exactly counter, at least keep pace with the SEC's move.

The Big 8, the SWC, and later the Big 12 made sense in an era of regionalism where kids would go to universities near them, and Saturday would feature a football game or two. Since 1988 is now a disturbingly long time ago, advertisers aren't looking for a league that retreads the same eyeballs with different teams.

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2021, 12:44:59 PM »
No, it won’t be power 5 but it will still be a quasi power 5 group. I’m fairly certain that no team has ever been demoted from power 5 to g5 unless you count the old big East teams.

So you’re going to have some teams that are major state university’s that have much more to offer than your typical G5 teams. We’ve already seen that there are lots of G5 teams that can compete on a very high level.  oSu for instance would compare very well to the lower tier P5 schools like MSU and Vanderbilt. Perhaps IU from the B10 and Northwestern.

I think if the B12 is smart they will try to pickup 4 of the best remaining G5 teams and schedule smartly.
I think that's what it should do.  But "smart" and "Big 12" haven't gone together like soup and sandwich.
If the Big 12 had been smart, it would still consist of the original 12 teams.  But it wasn't, so it doesn't.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2021, 01:21:11 PM »
if the original Big 12 teams would have just resigned themselves to the fact they had TV markets that couldn't compete with the Big and the SEC, they could have taken a few fewer millions annually and preserved a solid athletically competitive conference

but, greed wouldn't allow this
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2021, 02:00:12 PM »
if the original Big 12 teams would have just resigned themselves to the fact they had TV markets that couldn't compete with the Big and the SEC, they could have taken a few fewer millions annually and preserved a solid athletically competitive conference

but, greed wouldn't allow this
I'll probably go to my grave believing that unequal revenue-sharing was a big part of the cancer that killed the original Big 12.  And, yes, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Nebraska all supported it and benefitted from it.

The difference between how the Big 12 handled revenue-sharing and how the SEC handles it are part of why nobody wants to leave the SEC and why teams did want to leave the Big 12 when they got the chance.  It wasn't just the money.  It was the screw-your-neighbor mentality that the money represented.
The SEC wasn't the monster that it is now in the early '00s.  There were several very good conferences and the Big 12 was one of them, maybe the best, with national championships in '97, '00, and '05, and appearances in the NC game in '01, '03, '04, and '09.  But the Big 12 wasn't built for the long haul.
I'll bet that if the Big 12 gets new members and survives as an almost-P4 conference it will maintain unequal revenue sharing, setting the stage for further breakups down the road.
As for the complaints from oSu and Tech about the probable OU/UT departure, they have no grounds for complaint.  Both of those schools were ready to go to the Pac back in 2010-ish, leaving the other Big 12 schools in the lurch.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2021, 05:51:54 PM by CWSooner »
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2021, 03:00:37 PM »
I think to survive they might add "city teams", Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, and .... someone else to get to 12.

They would often have the highest ranked champion aisde from the main four.

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2021, 03:49:33 PM »
Cincinnati might not be interested
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2021, 04:05:16 PM »
I don't see them surviving as a conference.  The current TV contract allows ESPN/Fox to lower the payout if members depart.  Looking at the AAC as the best G5 contact, it pays less than $7mil per school compared to about $20mil for the Big 12.  $7 mil per year won't pay for the coaching staffs at most, if not all, Big 12 programs.  So it looks grim for filling the Big 12 ranks with G5 schools.  

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2021, 05:52:54 PM »
I don't see them surviving as a conference.  The current TV contract allows ESPN/Fox to lower the payout if members depart.  Looking at the AAC as the best G5 contact, it pays less than $7mil per school compared to about $20mil for the Big 12.  $7 mil per year won't pay for the coaching staffs at most, if not all, Big 12 programs.  So it looks grim for filling the Big 12 ranks with G5 schools. 
It might come down to who can raid whom--the rump Big 12 or the AAC.
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