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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #56 on: July 29, 2021, 10:01:08 AM »
It would be a statement you keep close to the vest for future use - if you thought you had a future.

This is pounding on the podium. It makes it look like you're doing something when there's nothing to be done. The Big 12 didn't necessarily want to have all its buying power tied up in one customer, but that's the way it worked out. When needs changed, that customer moved on. Happens every day.

There's only a small difference between ESPN telling the AAC that adding some teams would likely increase their take by $<x> dollars, and the AAC asking ESPN for that information. Right now, every conference commissioner is doing those exact same calculations. It's not even worth mentioning that these discussions are private between all parties.

I wish it weren't this way, as has been discussed. However, it's irrefutable that the top players regard the SEC as the league most closely aligned with the NFL. Texas could live without the extra cash, but they have to do something about the talent exodus. Even if Texas goes back to winning double digit games, those kids will still favor SEC programs because that's where draft day gets their names.

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2021, 12:31:16 PM »
He went to CBS with the scoop.  I wonder if he's trying to cut a deal with them now that ESPN has bought their SEC rights?

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2021, 01:02:07 PM »
CBS is not renewing with the SEC, I'm not sure they want to be a player in college football broadcasting, going forward.  And NBC is clearly fine just having ND.

I think the only games in town, are now Fox and Disney.

Or rather, if you're the B12 and you've just effectively accused your boss of collusion and tortious interference and threatened to sue him, well then the only game in town is Fox.

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2021, 01:12:33 PM »
Bowlsby has lost his mind.  Now doubling down with DMN
https://twitter.com/ChuckCarltonDMN/status/

“There were incentives discussed for that conference to go and take those members. So that’s as clear a tortious interference with our business as you can possibly have." (more)

Also accusing OU and Texas of violations
More Bowlsby on Texas-OU to the SEC: "They’ve certainly violated our by-laws in other ways by not notifying us that they were having conversations with other conferences. They’ve done everything as deceptive as they possibly could.”

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2021, 01:18:05 PM »
The only way these discussions ever happen, is through back-channels and in secret.

Texas and OU will respond "Our athletic department never discussed anything with the SEC.  We let you know officially, as soon as we officially decided to apply for admittance into the SEC.  All bylaws were followed."

And the attorneys that worked the back-channels on behalf of Texas and OU, are bound by attorney-client priveledge.


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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2021, 01:32:37 PM »
"Tortious Interference" is something that gets claimed when someone does something you wish they didn't do. The claims that get litigated are few. The ones that succeed are rarer still.

The contract spells out a remedy for not sticking around in the conference. Texas and OU would be willing to honor that if need be. The greater likelihood is that the contract will simply lose one of its parties (the Big 12) and be unenforceable. The even greater likelihood is, rather than risk that, the Big 12 will accept some smaller settlement as its members make their way elsewhere.

It isn't devious or underhanded. When you don't control your own destiny, you have to work with what's available. The Big 12 was never going to be a respected football conference no matter how many UH's or UCF's were enticed to join. Storied, yes. Exciting, sometimes. But never respected.

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« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2021, 02:40:19 PM »
Yeah, it is just blowing off steam but in a way too public manner.  He has no end game here.  As others have said, if he was seriously taking legal action, he wouldn't be mouthing off.  Instead he is doing real harm to the conference and to his credibility.
Droog is right, the Big 12 was never going to be respected and there was never going to be any advantageous expansion.  I was content with that.  We had a decent contract, member schools were getting better coaching and facilities, we were getting good bowls, the Sooners were having success so I was happy to just enjoy the football and go along for the ride. 

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #63 on: July 29, 2021, 03:05:45 PM »
Yeah, it is just blowing off steam but in a way too public manner.  He has no end game here.  As others have said, if he was seriously taking legal action, he wouldn't be mouthing off.  Instead he is doing real harm to the conference and to his credibility.
Droog is right, the Big 12 was never going to be respected and there was never going to be any advantageous expansion.  I was content with that.  We had a decent contract, member schools were getting better coaching and facilities, we were getting good bowls, the Sooners were having success so I was happy to just enjoy the football and go along for the ride.
It seems clear now that whenever the next round of realignment came up--and it was going to come up--the Big 12 was not going to do well.  It was going to be the poachee rather than the poacher.
It has just happened 2-3 years earlier than expected.
As has been noted, the Big 12 has produced some exciting football and some great players.  It has several good programs.  But it only has two helmet programs.  And, except for Texas, it has low-population states that don't add all that many TV viewers.
It has fewer face cards and fewer chips than the big-spenders at the poker table.
Totally off topic, but the poker analogy reminds me of this magazine cover from 1909, during the naval arms race that preceded World War I.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2021, 05:54:12 PM »

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« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2021, 06:19:56 PM »
I guess it's official.

What a brave new world...

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #66 on: July 29, 2021, 06:40:28 PM »
Yep.  Portal, NIL, new conference.  Next should be expanded scholarship limits.  All the extra games will require more bodies.

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #67 on: July 29, 2021, 07:41:33 PM »
They did a good job keeping this under wraps, and then finalizing it in a hurry, though the deal was obviously done a few weeks back.  July 1, 2025.

We have a few seasons before it happens.  The game is changing.  In another decade they could be playing flag football.

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #68 on: July 29, 2021, 08:21:50 PM »
whether you love the Horns and OU or you hate them if you are a SEC fan and this doesnt get you excited nothing will

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2021, 10:10:29 PM »
the only upshot is that once the super leagues are fully formed scheduling will get better
but it'll be more like the pros w/ a bloated playoff
more homogenous, less charm.
blech.

w/ a relative dearth of pay games in the future a bunch of these 1aa programs that have no biz in d1 will probably close shop or move back down once the dust settles.

 

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