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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2021, 07:29:05 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2021, 07:40:05 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on July 28, 2021, 07:29:05 PM
Goddamn it’s like days of our lives around here.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/report-big-12-sent-cease-and-desist-letter-to-espn/amp/

This isn't the only thing, Bowlsby is in tell-all mode with the media and is going scorched-earth.  I have no doubt that everything he says is true, but going public with it, is a pretty odd decision.  For so many reasons.

That's the kind of information you hold close and use strategically behind the scenes.

Going public, accusing your primary TV partner of all of this, not only will harm your current members in their inevitable future contract negotiation, but will also repel potential replacement schools.  Who the heck wants to go to a conference with THIS kind of leadership?
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2021, 07:51:46 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 28, 2021, 07:40:05 PM
This isn't the only thing, Bowlsby is in tell-all mode with the media and is going scorched-earth.  I have no doubt that everything he says is true, but going public with it, is a pretty odd decision.  For so many reasons.

That's the kind of information you hold close and use strategically behind the scenes.

Going public, accusing your primary TV partner of all of this, not only will harm your current members in their inevitable future contract negotiation, but will also repel potential replacement schools.  Who the heck wants to go to a conference with THIS kind of leadership?
Somewhat like Beebe in the first Big 12 crisis.

But the Big 12, like the old Big 8, has a weak commissioner by design.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2021, 08:01:12 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 28, 2021, 07:51:46 PM
Somewhat like Beebe in the first Big 12 crisis.

But the Big 12, like the old Big 8, has a weak commissioner by design.
I'm certain that at times Texas has relished filling the power void in B12 leadership.

But I'll say that this is one of the areas where I'm really looking forward to Texas joining the SEC-- a large, well-established league with solid, powerful member institutions and good Leadership.  So that Texas won't HAVE to ever step in and fill a power void.

It's a pretty huge relief, honestly.  I didn't think I'd feel that, if/when Texas ever left the B12.  But it's a pretty overwhelming sense of relief I'm experiencing right now.
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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2021, 09:45:18 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 28, 2021, 08:01:12 PM
I'm certain that at times Texas has relished filling the power void in B12 leadership.

But I'll say that this is one of the areas where I'm really looking forward to Texas joining the SEC-- a large, well-established league with solid, powerful member institutions and good Leadership.  So that Texas won't HAVE to ever step in and fill a power void.

It's a pretty huge relief, honestly.  I didn't think I'd feel that, if/when Texas ever left the B12.  But it's a pretty overwhelming sense of relief I'm experiencing right now.
I'd guess that the SWC had a weak commissioner too, at the behest of Texas and Texas A&M.
And, as I said, the old Big 8 definitely had the same, and I'm sure that that was with the blessings of OU and Nebraska.
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« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2021, 09:47:52 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 28, 2021, 08:01:12 PM
I'm certain that at times Texas has relished filling the power void in B12 leadership.

But I'll say that this is one of the areas where I'm really looking forward to Texas joining the SEC-- a large, well-established league with solid, powerful member institutions and good Leadership.  So that Texas won't HAVE to ever step in and fill a power void.

It's a pretty huge relief, honestly.  I didn't think I'd feel that, if/when Texas ever left the B12.  But it's a pretty overwhelming sense of relief I'm experiencing right now.
yep I hate it when I have to fill a power void

but then my wife wakes up and that need goes away
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« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2021, 09:55:46 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 28, 2021, 09:45:18 PM
I'd guess that the SWC had a weak commissioner too, at the behest of Texas and Texas A&M.
And, as I said, the old Big 8 definitely had the same, and I'm sure that that was with the blessings of OU and Nebraska.

Honestly, I don't think the relative strength of a commissioner mattered all that much, until the 90s came around, and the TV deals went into the scores of millions of dollars.

Before that, all the commissioner really had to do was maybe referee squabbles among the member institutions over some pretty minor issues, compared to what we see nowadays.
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« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2021, 10:10:31 PM »
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if a league ditched Disney and all the other sports networks and skipped most of the middle men and created their own streaming network. With the advancement of technology I think each venue could have their own production booth and crew, sideline reporters, etc. The league could have a main  broad cast crew to handle the big games and a couple of 2nd teamers to handle the lesser games. For the least desirable games let each school handle the broadcast duties with in-house resources. A&M did something similar vs Tx State during the Franchione days when we shifted a game to mid-week due to a hurricane threat. 

Get the network it’s own App, make it available to all the major platforms such as Roku and Firestick. Be smart about the competing times and games.  Set up the advertising, which would probably be the biggest hurdle, and go. You could even try to get somebody like Netflix or Amazon to bid some games a la TNF.  Heck for that matter cut some deals with non network tv partners and put the game over air channels. 

It could maybe work if someone took the risk and initiative and pioneered it. You’d cut out the middleman, be in charge of all the aspects of broadcasting both times and schedules and not have to compete with other conferences for the best spots. 

Worth a shot. 
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« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2021, 10:52:03 PM »
OK.  In this article from CBS, ESPN is accused of telling the AAC they would get future TV proceedes if they added 3-5 Big 12 members.  Pretty strong accusation.
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« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2021, 11:17:47 PM »
Quote from: Thumper on July 28, 2021, 10:52:03 PM
OK.  In this article from CBS, ESPN is accused of telling the AAC they would get future TV proceedes if they added 3-5 Big 12 members.  Pretty strong accusation.

I have no doubt something like this happened.

I also have no doubt that it's going to be difficult to prove.

I also have no doubt that if Bowlsby continues this, then he'll absolutely kill the B12 because he'll only get to deal with one potential media partner, which means he will have sacrificed any shred of leverage or bargaining power he might have had.

In short, I think he's gone off the deep end, and the B12 member institutions would be wise to fire him immediately, before he can do any further damage.
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« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2021, 11:23:03 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on July 28, 2021, 10:10:31 PM
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if a league ditched Disney and all the other sports networks and skipped most of the middle men and created their own streaming network. With the advancement of technology I think each venue could have their own production booth and crew, sideline reporters, etc. The league could have a main  broad cast crew to handle the big games and a couple of 2nd teamers to handle the lesser games. For the least desirable games let each school handle the broadcast duties with in-house resources. A&M did something similar vs Tx State during the Franchione days when we shifted a game to mid-week due to a hurricane threat.

Get the network it’s own App, make it available to all the major platforms such as Roku and Firestick. Be smart about the competing times and games.  Set up the advertising, which would probably be the biggest hurdle, and go. You could even try to get somebody like Netflix or Amazon to bid some games a la TNF.  Heck for that matter cut some deals with non network tv partners and put the game over air channels.

It could maybe work if someone took the risk and initiative and pioneered it. You’d cut out the middleman, be in charge of all the aspects of broadcasting both times and schedules and not have to compete with other conferences for the best spots.

Worth a shot.
I think there are still so many old folks that rely on the ease and simplicity of cable, that the timing still isn't quite right for something like this.  Probably still ten years out at the earliest.  I think of my parents in their 80s, and they're pretty technologically savvy but I just don't think they could navigate the streaming options.  Nor would they want to.  They have money and they value simplicity.  Also, the streaming is still pretty buggy and glitchy compared to cable, and I don't think they'd be willing to tolerate that.

In another decade though, sure.
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« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2021, 11:34:21 PM »
I get what you’re saying which is why I suggested letting some of the independent type broadcast networks or any one of a number of struggling cable networks carry it. I get that they need to get paid so you’d have to give up some revenue from advertisers etc but in turn you’d reach that final OASIW ( old and set in ways ) population. 

Streaming is great in my little town of 3,000 where the Aggie owned communications company put in fiber a few years ago. I’ve been exclusively streaming YouTube tv for about 3 years. 
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« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2021, 11:58:51 PM »
Covid 19 put a lot of people in touch with streaming.  My church has all its meetings over Zoom.  The Lutheran Church on the corner by my house live streams over Facebook.  My HOA was suing a resident and the court hearings were over Zoom.  A lot of old people have had to learn stuff so it isn't too difficult.  Still, putting out a streaming network for a nationwide sport will be tough but if megaconferences start ruling they could do it.  
One of my favorite sports is disc golf.  It was streaming only and free.  Then just recently, they cut a deal to have it on ESPN+.  
To get ESPN, you still have to get a cable like bundle but at least there are no contracts.  I've tried nearly all the services and YouTube tv suited me best.  We don't watch much TV outside of football season so I turn it off 6-7 months per year.  I'm going to try Vidgo next month to see how it is.  It is only $50 / mo but it has no DVR which I don't use anyway.
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« Reply #55 on: July 29, 2021, 12:44:44 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 28, 2021, 01:34:35 PM
I will be hitting the half-century mark on my birthday this year.  A little ways behind you.

I sometimes wish I'd been born earlier so I could have enjoyed more it, but I feel like I at least got to see the end of the Golden Era of college football.  I was aware of it during the 70s, and fully engaged in it during the 80s.

I feel like the tail end of the 80s is when things started changing so dramatically.  The money got so much bigger, the scandals got bigger.  Then in the late 80s/early 90s, ESPN assaulted us simultaneously with the 24/7 sports news cycle, and the intentional nationalization of the sport, so that they could more easily homogenize it and package it for mass consumption.

Then the money continued to get even bigger, television-revenue-focused B1G expansion and SEC expansion forced the demise of the SWC and the creation of the B12, and ever since then we've been in an endless cycle of further nationalization and increased homogenization of the sport.

Someday I think I might write a book about it all.  But I'd only do it if I could force myself to present it as a celebration of the greatest sport the world has ever known.  I
I'll hit 67 on my next, so, yeah, 15-20 years ahead of you was a good guess.
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