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longhorn320

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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #98 on: December 06, 2017, 05:21:47 PM »
Quote from: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 05:08:55 PM
Bob Gibson had a better lifetime BA and a better SLG, and he played two years longer than DD.
Not saying he was the best fred just the best one I ever saw
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #99 on: December 06, 2017, 05:23:02 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on December 06, 2017, 05:21:47 PM
Not saying he was the best fred just the best one I ever saw
Fair enough.  Drysale was no doubt impressive all around.
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #100 on: December 06, 2017, 05:29:18 PM »
Quote from: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 05:12:45 PM
They implemented the DH to draw in the casual fan who mainly likes hitting and doesn’t care as much about pitching and fielding.  You know the kind of fan who walks away from a tense 2-1 pitchers duel and says the game was boring because nothing happened.  Would rather see a home run derby, I guess.
Your production at the plate determines how far you make it in baseball.  Unless you're a pitcher.  MLB doesn't hire shortstops because they field a mean ground ball.  They field a mean ground ball AND they can produce at the plate.

It's not a contest to match a pitcher on the mound vs. a pitcher at the plate.  The other 8 hitters are there because to some degree they are an offensive threat.  The pitcher is not.  Sure some pitchers can squeeze out a hit sometimes, but we wouldn't notice it if it wasn't remarkable.

So you prefer the automatic out.  Oh yeah that's really some interesting baseball.
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #101 on: December 06, 2017, 05:38:42 PM »
It’s not an automatic out.  It drops from a batter getting a hit about every 2.5 of 10 at bats down to a batter getting a hit about once every 10 at bats.  Then there are sac bunts and the matter of opposing pitchers facing each other on both ends of the pitch.  And the double switches and the much more strategic use of the bullpen.  Yep it’s more exciting for me at least than just marching an often fat over the hill pure hitter who sometimes can barely run the bases up there.
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #102 on: December 06, 2017, 05:40:17 PM »
Quote from: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 05:12:45 PM
They implemented the DH to draw in the casual fan who mainly likes hitting and doesn’t care as much about pitching and fielding.
I'm still burning over this.  The "pitching and fielding" is not impressive when you send pitchers up to the plate.  Who cares that some ace pitcher went 1-2-3 and sat down a helpless pitcher.  Who cares if the 1st baseman ran up to grab a dribbler off the bat and then tagged the pitcher who run the 40 in 3 minutes.

That's not baseball.  It's not being a "pitching and fielding" enthusiast by sending a handicapped batter to the plate.
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #103 on: December 06, 2017, 05:43:19 PM »
Quote from: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 05:38:42 PM
Yep it’s more exciting for me at least than just marching an often fat over the hill pure hitter who sometimes can barely run the bases up there.
As opposed to a speed-burning pitcher who can tear it up on the base line.
Good Lord, nothing is making sense.
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #104 on: December 06, 2017, 05:59:06 PM »
Quote from: BrownCounty on December 06, 2017, 05:40:17 PM
I'm still burning over this. The "pitching and fielding" is not impressive when you send pitchers up to the plate.  Who cares that some ace pitcher went 1-2-3 and sat down a helpless pitcher.  Who cares if the 1st baseman ran up to grab a dribbler off the bat and then tagged the pitcher who run the 40 in 3 minutes.

That's not baseball.  It's not being a "pitching and fielding" enthusiast by sending a handicapped batter to the plate.
Relax - it's just a conversation, and is often the case, we don't agree.  Oh well.

Funny that you say having a pitcher bat is "not baseball."  It was baseball since the origins in the 1860s until the 1970s when it was implemented for the AL.  Pitchers still bat in various amateur leagues including LL to this day, and of course in the NL and on minor league teams affiliated with NL teams.   

Anyway, to each his own.  I doubt we're going to convince each other so we should probably just let it be.
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #105 on: December 06, 2017, 07:47:13 PM »
Quote from: BrownCounty on December 06, 2017, 05:29:18 PM
Your production at the plate determines how far you make it in baseball.  Unless you're a pitcher.  MLB doesn't hire shortstops because they field a mean ground ball.  
they did hire shortstops for their glove and arm back in Gibson's day
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #106 on: December 06, 2017, 09:10:50 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 06, 2017, 07:47:13 PM
they did hire shortstops for their glove and arm back in Gibson's day
True, like SS Dal Maxvill ... a .217 lifetime BA (just .011 higher than Gibson's lifetime BA) but yet he has three NL championship rings, and two WS rings, to show for it.
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #107 on: December 06, 2017, 10:36:56 PM »
Old-fashioned NL baseball for me.  No DH.  Pants down to mid-calf, high-stirrup stockings.  Birds on a bat.  Pinstripe sleeveless tunic.  Interlocking LA.  Pitching duels.

Koufax, Drysdale, Gibson, Bunning.  Musial, Clemente, Wills, Mays, McCovey, McCarver, K. Boyer, Banks, Aaron.

Strategy.  Bunting.  Hit and run.  Double substitutions.  Pitchers bunting to advance runners.  Base-stealing.  Hitting to the opposite field.

Or you could go watch an Earl Weaver game over in the AL.  Get a man on, via a walk, then hold him at first until a big, slow, white guy can yank a homer and drive him in.  Rinse, lather, repeat.

Never knew what was going to happen next.
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #108 on: December 06, 2017, 10:42:58 PM »
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #109 on: December 06, 2017, 10:43:19 PM »
and Boog Powell
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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #110 on: December 06, 2017, 10:44:53 PM »
I've always watched, enjoyed, and respected both leagues

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Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #111 on: December 06, 2017, 10:50:10 PM »
dont forget Luis Aparicio and Nellie Fox

one of the best keystone combos ever
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