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All-Time Texas help
« on: February 11, 2021, 06:04:33 PM »
If I were to pick 3 QB for the all-time Texas football team, I'd take:
Vince Young
Colt McCoy
Sam Ehlinger

I'd love to put guys in from different eras, but I don't even know who'd I'd rank 4th.  And James Street's stats are gross.
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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2021, 06:29:11 PM »
I heard James Street was pretty good
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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2021, 06:35:57 PM »
If I were to pick 3 QB for the all-time Texas football team, I'd take:
Vince Young
Colt McCoy
Sam Ehlinger

I'd love to put guys in from different eras, but I don't even know who'd I'd rank 4th.  And James Street's stats are gross.
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I watched James Street play every game he played in Austin

He was not a great passer
He was not a great runner
all he did was beat your ass
great field general
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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2021, 06:41:44 PM »
Not many people realize this but James Street was a great pitcher

21 complete games

2 no hitters

1 perfect game
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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2021, 07:07:31 PM »
Bobby Layne was the first "great" QB at Texas.

I'm sure his stats don't measure up to modern QBs, for obvious reasons.


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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2021, 07:14:22 PM »
I don't want to be a slave to the stats on this, but I also don't want to hamstring someone playing the game.  If I'm playing against my friend and he has Jason White as OU's QB and I'm using Texas with James Street, I'm going to get curb-stomped.  
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Layne's passing stats are fine, he wouldn't be a hindrance, but who would you replace?  Ehlinger?  
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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2021, 07:21:26 PM »
I don't want to be a slave to the stats on this, but I also don't want to hamstring someone playing the game.  If I'm playing against my friend and he has Jason White as OU's QB and I'm using Texas with James Street, I'm going to get curb-stomped. 
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Layne's passing stats are fine, he wouldn't be a hindrance, but who would you replace?  Ehlinger? 
which shows one weakness in playing a board game based on stats

there is no stat for heart

Im not faulting you just pointing out some things just dont fit into a stat
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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2021, 07:25:47 PM »
a perfect example of this was the Super Bowl last Sunday

On paper there just is no way TB wins that game

But if you watched the game it was clear the Tampa team was playing with a chip on its shoulder

As DKR once said only angry players win football games
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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2021, 10:59:25 PM »
Ehh, I'd chalk the SB up to a great defensive gameplan and Mahomes' foot being a bigger issue than we thought.
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But point taken.
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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2021, 09:07:44 AM »
I don't want to be a slave to the stats on this, but I also don't want to hamstring someone playing the game.  If I'm playing against my friend and he has Jason White as OU's QB and I'm using Texas with James Street, I'm going to get curb-stomped. 
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Layne's passing stats are fine, he wouldn't be a hindrance, but who would you replace?  Ehlinger? 
If I want to win the game, then I'd want the QB that-- in the game-- gave me the best chances of winning.


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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2021, 11:01:40 AM »
Vince Young was easily the best player of his era. When left to play the game his way (that's a deliberately loaded qualifier), he could not be stopped. He may have spread the ball around to keep his teammates interested, but outrunning the entire defense was always an option.

After that, I'm looking at a couple of QBs known for their decision making skills. Colt McCoy could throw just far enough and run just fast enough to make the plays Texas needed. He could fire the ball within his abilities through the tightest windows because he knew that was where the play should go. I still maintain, though, that he was out on his feet when his pass hit the crowd railing with 0:01 on the clock. Sheer luck.

James Street mastered the "new" wishbone offense. This was the unstoppable offense that would break college football. Wherever the defense went, the wishbone powered the other way. No defense could possibly stop four runners, plus deal with the occasional deep pass as well.

I admit this is recency bias. I just don't know enough about Bobby Layne. Also, I'm sure there are tons more without the glowing trophies. Peter Gardere's undefeated streak against OU should garner him a mention.

I believe Sam Ehlinger's abilities were not maximized by Texas. Between lacking proper OL play, competent QB development, and an OC without imagination or foresight, he had better skills than he was able to show.

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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2021, 12:14:03 PM »
So maybe it's Young, McCoy, and.................Street/Gardere/Layne?  
Or Young, Layne and.............McCoy/Street?  
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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2021, 12:14:53 PM »
Also, the hard choice on running QBs is that if you have one in, he's going to gobble up a RB slot, so you only get 3 RBs instead of 4.
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Re: All-Time Texas help
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2021, 12:16:46 PM »
That being said......if my All-Time Horns team gets 4 RBs, I expect to see:
Ricky Williams
Earl Campbell
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Fill in the blanks for me.
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