~2018 NFL Thread~

[MrNubbz]

As for the phantom roughing the passer, yes that call was bullshit, but the Chiefs actually got off lucky on that one- because Eldeman was CLEARLY pass interfered with as the Chiefs DB virtually had Eldemen in a headlock on that play. That PI would've been much longer than 15 yards. If anything the Patriots got jobbed with the calls most of that game imo. Patriots DB's got called for every freaking PI and defensive holding under the sun. They couldn't even sneeze near the Chiefs receivers or they'd get a call. K

Sorry MDoT but if you're looking for sympathy for NE DB's - it's between shit & syphilis.Thru the years Belichicks boys would have got arrested outside of the stadium for the shakedowns inside.The '04 AFC CG vs Manning and the colts - it really was criminal - and it was a topic at the time.And Edelman has made some fine catches.All the guys you were blasting to hell 5-6 weeks ago have come to life.But at the time I didn't think you were wrong either.IMO the Chiefs were the only team that could take the Patriots down.Hey maybe the the Rams can get some payback for 17 yrs ago

[MrNubbz]

New Orleans got jobbed but they still had opportunities to win that game after that no-call and they blew them all. Sean Payton once again beating himself by trying to show everyone how smart he is. RUN THE DAMN BALL. Burn clock. Make them use their TOs.

To the people crying about the refs helping the Patriots, please

We were saying the same thing what the hell was Payton/Brees thinking.Had They used their heads even if they fumbled the ball away there would have been precious little time and a long way to go for LA.
  And the roughing call on Brady was total horse shyt.Chiefs Lineman goes over the top and get a hand on Brady's left shoulder - and they call roughing,that sustained at drive that NE scored on.Like Michael Wilbon said they better not have a cold because if he's even sneezed on the flag's coming out

[MrNubbz]

Brady with another virtuoso performance late to seal the win. Really what else can you say. Dude really is the baddest mf'er on the planet like he said. He has moved beyond Jordan to me. He is the greatest athlete in American sports history in my opinion.

Ya even though it was vs a very porous Chiefs Defense,he makes it look easy.I think the country would have been shocked had he not scored inside of 2 minutes.Gotta give BB some props - he has a way of keeping opponents on their heels,squeezing as much productivity out of marginal talent as possible and finding usable pieces on the trash heep & free agent wire.When you consider the NFL is set up to pretty much avoid prolonged dynasties their run is impressive

[Anonymous Coward]

Regarding OT, I'd be pretty pleased if both the NFL and CFB met in the middle. Not because I need them to be the same, but because both suck in opposite ways. Give both teams a try, but do it from outside FG range. Winning a coin flip is a terrible way to end a game. And starting any closer than the 50-yl is inane. 

[Anonymous Coward]

And the roughing call on Brady was total horse shyt.Chiefs Lineman goes over the top and get a hand on Brady's left shoulder - and they call roughing,that sustained at drive that NE scored on.Like Michael Wilbon said they better not have a cold because if he's even sneezed on the flag's coming out

In the aftermath of that game, I read something very surprising. Obviously the concern with a call that bad is that the NFL has it in for NE. But a strong counter to it that many people haven't noticed is that Brady has only benefited from 4(!!) such calls since 2009. Not a typo. And since that occurred over more than 1,000 snaps ago, it's nowhere near the level necessary for this conspiracy theory.

[MrNubbz]

I dunno who keeps that type of stat.The Browns 5 yrs back certainly got jobbed by the NE favoritism - serious.Did you see that play?How is a whistle or flag reached for on an obviously clean play.Have no idea which game that official was watching.That was 3rd down and kept the drive going

[Anonymous Coward]

"It was a terrible call. I'd also point out that it's the fourth time Brady has benefited from a roughing the passer call in 1,002 postseason dropbacks since returning from his torn ACL in 2009, which is one penalty for every 250.5 dropbacks."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25813279/inside-16-crucial-plays-2018-nfl-conference-championship-games

[Anonymous Coward]

There's also this, using different numbers to
Address a similar question:

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Fact check: You can't touch Brady without being flagged"
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25787154/fact-checking-patriots-18-year-nfl-dynasty-real-myth

[ELA]

There's also this, using different numbers to
Address a similar question:

"
Fact check: You can't touch Brady without being flagged"
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25787154/fact-checking-patriots-18-year-nfl-dynasty-real-myth

This is a better argument.  The other one lacks context, because Brady is so damn good at getting the ball out.  I like here where they provide calls per pressures.

[Anonymous Coward]

Agreed

[MrNubbz]

Good article the 2003-04 Playoffs were a real thing,there was a lot of baying at the moon and it didn't come from just Colts fans.That season NE were breaking rules,because they didn't get flagged - it doesn't show in stats - that was rub - AT THAT TIME.

  I've watched Brady get woodshedded by very good Seattle/Denver defenses.Yet he stood in the pocket,took a beating didn't complain and almost delivered against obviously more talented squads,he has my respect.Just keep him away from checking ball pressure .There should be more flags thrown on defenses that pile dive QBs after the ball is dumped.Noticed they manage to side step the punter under similar bang-bang situations.Prolly has something to do with 15yds and automatic 1st downs

[Entropy]

I think Romo is great. When Brady audibled on the short yardage play and ran a play to the right just like Romo said he would I just started laughing.

He diagnoses plays better than anyone I’ve ever seen. Spielmann is great at that too.

Chiefs fired their DC.   I guess local radio was livid that Romo could call out what Brady was doing but the Chiefs could not.... 

[Mdot21]

Chiefs fired their DC.   I guess local radio was livid that Romo could call out what Brady was doing but the Chiefs could not....

Romo played the position at a very high level. He really doesn't get the credit he deserves. He was a hell of a QB. Yes, he didn't win any Championships, but that's more on Jerry Jones than it is on Tony Romo imo. Look at Romo's #'s vs Troy Aikman's. His #'s dwarf Aikman's. Yeah, I know, different era- but Tony also never had a back like Emmitt Smith or a WR like Michael Irvin. He had an older TO for a few years, and then Dez Bryant and that's really it. Dez was great for a few years but the guy was a one trick pony. Very good at that trick albeit- but once his physical skills started to go he was finished because he didn't know how to run routes and he always had drop issues. Michael Irvin? One of the greatest route runners and surest handed receivers this game has ever seen.

[Mdot21]

Sorry MDoT but if you're looking for sympathy for NE DB's - it's between shit & syphilis.Thru the years Belichicks boys would have got arrested outside of the stadium for the shakedowns inside.The '04 AFC CG vs Manning and the colts - it really was criminal - and it was a topic at the time.And Edelman has made some fine catches.All the guys you were blasting to hell 5-6 weeks ago have come to life.But at the time I didn't think you were wrong either.IMO the Chiefs were the only team that could take the Patriots down.Hey maybe the the Rams can get some payback for 17 yrs ago

Not looking for sympathy for anyone. I just want a fair game called in any game, regardless of who is playing. It was a total BS call on Jones, that was definitely NOT roughing. But on that very same play Julian Edelman was put in a headlock by the Chiefs DB and there was no flag. Eric Berry was basically jumping on Gronk's back the entire game and riding him like a mule. He wasn't called once. So I don't want to hear anything from Chiefs fans or Patriots haters about the refs. KC more times than not got the benefit when it came to the refs.
And Andy Reid is a lying whiner. The refs don't tell the DL's and warn them when they line up a yard off-sides. If a DL is a little over and the refs didn't catch it they'll warn him after that play is over to stay back. But no ref ever in the history of the game tells a DL that's lined up a yard off-sides to get back. Just doesn't happen. People making excuses about that and saying the Pats were lucky. Like, give me a break. That's not luck. Dee Ford is an idiot who should know better. He was lined up almost a yard off-sides.