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Topic: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1806 on: March 29, 2018, 12:13:51 PM »
Loyola has Sister Jean and Villanova has Father Robb. Michigan has Austin Hatch. The story continues to be written about this remarkable young man. Lost in the mix the last couple weeks was the B1G and NCAA granting waivers allowing Austin to suit up and walk out on Senior Day. And last week, the team making sure to save a strand on the net for him to cut down. The back story of course, is the two plane crashes that put him in a coma and decimated his family.

Here is a recent excerpt from The Athletic, written by Brendan Quinn. Abby Cole is quoted in the article. She is Austin's fiancée and an All-American Volleyball alum at Michigan.

“He does a really good job of compartmentalizing,” she says. “When he’s at Crisler, he’s a basketball player, and when he’s in lectures, he’s a student. When he’s with me, he’s a fiancé. When he’s with his family, he’s a nephew, a grandson. You know … I think he’s just … I don’t think there’s an easy answer for that.”
Cole stops and starts, then says: “With Austin, when you go through what he’s been through, there’s not a playbook, you know? No one has gone through what he’s gone through in that same way, and, well, I don't think many people would respond as well as he has.”
Cole, O’Donnell says, filled “a great emptiness” in Hatch’s life. She was prodded by that massive support system to assure her good intentions. John Beilein called U-M volleyball coach Mark Rosen to make sure she was legit. Beilein then enlisted his wife, Kathleen, to have lunch with her, not to get to know Cole, but as a secret test. She passed all of the obstacles with ease.
Hatch and Cole describe their relationship as a fairy tale. It’s the preface, though, that’s inescapably in view. Hatch still has difficult days. He once told Cole that the life-altering injuries he sustained in the second crash were secretly a blessing — the ensuing recovery was the only fathomable diversion from the emotional atom bomb of losing his father. Talk about no playbook? There was, nor is, any guide for the immediate aftermath of having a best friend, mentor and hero taken away from you. Dr. Stephen Hatch was all of those to young Austin.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1807 on: March 29, 2018, 04:58:45 PM »
Re: end of game:

What about shortening the shot clock to 24 seconds for the final 5 minutes of play (and overtime).

It's a small change, but might make the trailing team avoid fouls longer as the end approaches,  knowing they have more possessions left.
Really? Nobody even has a comment on this idea? 

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« Reply #1808 on: March 29, 2018, 05:09:13 PM »
Really? Nobody even has a comment on this idea?
I think something like making each possession within the final 2 minutes of the game having an 18 second shot clock would be ok with me.
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« Reply #1809 on: March 29, 2018, 05:26:10 PM »
Really? Nobody even has a comment on this idea?
I think a shorter shot-clock at the end of games would be a decent idea worth considering but I'm not sure it would make that big of a difference.  

Frankly, I think that teams often start fouling too late.  If you are down eight with 1:20 to go, it seems to me that a lot of times teams will play aggressive defense but not intentionally foul because they don't want to give up the easy points.  I get that, but unless you force a turnover the best case scenario is to be down eight with about 0:50 to go and the ball.  Even if you then make a three, you are still down two possessions with less than 0:50 to go and the other team has the ball.  Ie, you are eventually going to have to foul somebody.  I'd rather do it sooner than later because if you start earlier I think that you can be more selective in who you foul and you have more time to make it up.  

Bottom line, if you are down eight with about 1:20 to go your chances aren't very good and shortening the shot clock to 24 seconds or even @DevilFroggy 's 18 seconds wouldn't make them a whole lot better.  

Maybe I just don't know enough about BB strategy so if someone can explain this, please do:
When a game is winding down I tend to do a mental calculation in my head as to whether or not the trailing team will need to foul.  When it gets to the point that the leading team could simply accept the shot-clock violation each possession and the trailing team couldn't catch up even with a quick three each possession, then I KNOW that the trailing team will have to foul eventually.  Knowing only what I know, if I were a coach, I'd start fouling right then.  You already know you are going to have to so why wait?  

My assumptions:
I figure 40 seconds per possession (30 for the leading team and 10 for the trailing team) and a maximum of a three point differential per possession (the leading team fails to score and the trailing team hits a three).  

My math, when the other team has the ball:
If Deficit/3>seconds remaining/40, foul.  

Example:
When down by eight:
Deficit / 3 = 3 (because you have to round up).  Thus, if there were less than two minutes to go (40*3 = 120 seconds = 2 minutes) I think you should foul.  

Caveat:
I wouldn't immediately foul on the in-bounds down eight with 2:00 to go.  Instead, what I would do is go into a press defense, challenge the in-bounds, then try to trap the ball or force a turnover.  I would also play VERY aggressive defense (because I see the risk of fouling as not a real risk since I have to anyway).  Then I would look to foul a bad FT shooter if possible and if all of that failed I would foul.  The thing is that "all of that" would have to be done in <10 seconds.  Ie, I would prefer a turnover but if I didn't get that I would want to foul no later than 1:50.  

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1810 on: March 29, 2018, 05:40:43 PM »
Really? Nobody even has a comment on this idea?
The problem is while that fixes the fouling issue, in games where teams aren't fouling it favors certain styles over others.
Why limit the bonus to 2 FTs for 10 fouls?  Maybe at 13 fouls you go to 3 to make 2, then at 16 you go to 3, and so on?

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1811 on: March 29, 2018, 05:52:53 PM »
That's why I support the super penalty (2 plus ball) for a foul in the backcourt.   Make the D play some defense for at least some amount of time, and not give the D the constant 3:2 potential point edge.  It's bull jive to see a made bucket followed by the instant foul.   Basketball is a miserable game to watch the moment that starts happening.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1812 on: March 29, 2018, 05:57:21 PM »
That's why I support the super penalty (2 plus ball) for a foul in the backcourt.   Make the D play some defense for at least some amount of time, and not give the D the constant 3:2 potential point edge.  It's bull jive to see a made bucket followed by the instant foul.   Basketball is a miserable game to watch the moment that starts happening.
I guess I don't mind the potential 3:2 advantage too much.  It makes a game exciting if a team is down by one or two but beyond that it only marginally matters.  Ie, if my team is down six it would take six repetitions of the 3:2 advantage to catch up.  Even if the other team only shot 50% it would still take three repetitions of the 3:1 advantage and either way my team needs to hit a bunch of three point shots.  

I get the idea of applying it for a backcourt violation though because, as you said, that would cause a press and defense to actually be played for a few seconds.  What would you do if the leading team had a bunch of timeouts left and used them after advancing the ball over the timeline to then inbound the ball back in the backcourt and use another 10 seconds of backcourt time?  Would you be ok with that?  
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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1813 on: March 29, 2018, 06:25:43 PM »
My bad for not saying so. I actually love it. But it's a hard sell in terms of practicality. Of course, that is true of all of these, so I'll acknowledge it would help quench the whistle fest and maintain flow. I'm imagining an even more severe version of this -- if the play clocks were designed to consistently decay from the start to end of the 2nd half. Beginning at 30 per possession, then 29, 28, 27 .... and finishing somewhere around 8, 7, 6, 5. 
Maybe it's just me but a game with auto-5 second possessions at the end sounds ... amazing.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1814 on: March 29, 2018, 07:27:43 PM »
Cowan isn't transferring .

Wiley is. 

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1815 on: March 29, 2018, 07:51:25 PM »
That's why I support the super penalty (2 plus ball) for a foul in the backcourt.   Make the D play some defense for at least some amount of time, and not give the D the constant 3:2 potential point edge.  It's bull jive to see a made bucket followed by the instant foul.   Basketball is a miserable game to watch the moment that starts happening.
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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1816 on: March 29, 2018, 08:17:41 PM »
go way back to NO shot clock
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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1817 on: March 29, 2018, 08:28:45 PM »
go way back to NO shot clock
Hard pass.
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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1818 on: March 29, 2018, 08:50:53 PM »
you're too young to remember those games
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« Reply #1819 on: March 29, 2018, 09:20:32 PM »
Fearless also supports the elimination of the three point line, while mandating Converse high tops with knee socks, tank tops and Daisy Dukes. 
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