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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2019, 11:49:11 AM »
For pass rushers, David Pollack and Jarvis Jones.

UGA had a guy named Richard Tardits who held their career sacks record for a while.  He was born in France and played rugby and walked on thinking college football was about the same thing.  He played on third down and no one could block him.  

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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2019, 11:50:44 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 20, 2019, 02:49:41 PM
QB (1) - Kirk Cousins
RB (4) - Lorenzo White, T.J. Duckett, LeVeon Bell, Javon Ringer
WR/TE (6) - Andre Rison, Charles Rogers, Plaxico Burress, Kirk Gibson, B.J. Cunningham, Courtney Hawkins
K - Morten Andersen
P - Brandon Fields
KR - Courtney Hawkins
PR - Keshawn Martin

Pass Rushers (2-4, sacks only) - Julian Peterson, Shilique Calhoun, Kenny Willikes, Robaire Smith
Pass Defenders (2-4, INTs only) - Brad Van Pelt, Todd Krumm, Darqueze Dennard, Kurtis Drummond
QB is really, really weak.  Can't complain about the RBs/WRs though.  Hawkins was a personal favorite from my pre-MSU fanhood days.  MSU's kicker list oddly I might put up against any school in the nation.  They didn't track them back then, but I assume Bubba Smith belongs on the sacks list if they did.
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2019, 01:42:36 PM »
You can include pre-1971 players if you have the pertinent stats for them (so for Kinnick, if you have his INT numbers, include him there, but if his punting average is unknown, don't put him there).  And players can be at multiple spots, like in reality, a WR could also be your KR.




The 1971 cutoff year is based on what I was able to find - stats for national champions going back that far.  Believe it or not, for many programs, I have trouble finding pre-2000 stats.  Even more unbelievable, the NCAA site only has stats going back to 1989 for Division 1-A (FBS).  They have stats going back further than that for I-AA (FCS) for some reason.  I can't fathom why, and if they'd give me 50K/year to do it, I'd piece it together going back to leather helmets and train rides.
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2019, 01:51:19 PM »
So to 'think out loud' for Florida, I know Huey Richardson had more sacks than Jevon Kearse, but playing this game, it would be cooler to have Kearse getting a sack, so I could include him instead.  
Same with defensive back - I know Keiwan Ratliff had a lot of INTs, and he was an All-American type player, but Lito Sheppard was better or cooler or whatever, so I could include him instead.  Lots of freedom here.




Ohio St RB is interesting.  You have Griffin and George and Wells and Elliott, but you also have 2 QBs in the top 10 of rushing yards.  If you want Barrett or Miller at QB for the all-time Buckeyes, and you want their rushing abilities, you have to drop a RB.  And if you're partial to a guy like Pete Johnson, who racked up TDs as a short-yardage guy, you could include him instead of one of the top guys, no problem.  



If I'm creating ND's team, I want Rocket Ismail's 22 yards per catch and 7.7 yards per rush, BUT his relatively few receptions and carries means that he's not going to have many play cards.  The few he will have will be explosive, but a Tim Brown is going to have nearly double the pass play cards as Ismail and a RB like Alan Pinkett's carries dwarfed Ismail's.  While Pinkett would have probably 7-8 run cards, Ismail may have just one.  So getting deep into it, you want a sliding scale of effectiveness and volume.
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2019, 02:14:53 PM »
This whole numbers things generally skews toward the modern day--particularly in the passing game. ND is an interesting example. I would bet Jimmy Clausen is pretty high on the numbers list for an ND quarterback, but he played on a bad series of teams, so (1) isn't in the fans' pantheon; and (2) probably doesn't belong in a game like this. But from a numbers perspective? Pretty solid--although probably not in his Freshman year. Brady Quinn has--I think--the best numbers for an ND quarterback. Deshon Kizer was good. But over Montana, Theisman, and Beuerlein? Seems off.
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2019, 02:28:24 PM »
Indiana

QB (1) - Trent Green
RB (4) - Anthony Thompson, Vaughn Dunbar, Tevin Coleman, Alex Smith
WR/TE (6) - James Hardy, Thomas Lewis, Ernie Jones, Cody Latimer, Jade Butcher, Ted Bolser
K - Pete Stoyanovich
P - Tyson Beattie
KR - Marcus Thigpen
PR - J-Shun Harris
Pass Rushers (2-4 players, sacks only) - Adewale Ogunleye, Van Waiters, Jammie Kirlew
Pass Defenders (2-4 players, INTs only) - Tracy Porter, Tim Wilbur, Mike Dumas, Lance Brown
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2019, 02:45:12 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on March 21, 2019, 02:14:53 PM
This whole numbers things generally skews toward the modern day--particularly in the passing game. ND is an interesting example. I would bet Jimmy Clausen is pretty high on the numbers list for an ND quarterback, but he played on a bad series of teams, so (1) isn't in the fans' pantheon; and (2) probably doesn't belong in a game like this. But from a numbers perspective? Pretty solid--although probably not in his Freshman year. Brady Quinn has--I think--the best numbers for an ND quarterback. Deshon Kizer was good. But over Montana, Theisman, and Beuerlein? Seems off.
Right, so you could want one of those old-timey QBs, but you're going to suffer with their poor TD/INT ratios.  
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2019, 02:45:52 PM »
Quote from: ALA2262 on March 20, 2019, 10:27:30 PM
QB (1) - Tua - lol, no doubt here. #2 is mccarron imo.
RB (4) - Derick Henry, Shaun Alexander, Mark Ingram, Damien Harris  - first 3 look good, but i'll take bobby humphrey as #4
WR/TE (6) -  Amari Cooper, Jerry Jeudy, Julio Jones, DJ Hall, Calvin Ridley, Ozzie Newsome - hall isn't in top 10 for me, let alone top 5. i'll take a way throwback in don hutson, or for more current, oj howard to pair with ozzie or the duece - palmer.
K - Leigh Tiffin - not gonna argue, but might take his dad, van, or even proctor. but none are sure fire.
P - JK Scott - now this is sure fire.
KR - Javier Arenas - no argument, maybe the duece
PR - Javier Arenas - again, no arguement, maybe the duece

Pass Rushers (2-4, sacks only) - Derrick Thomas-Career-52, Derrick Thomas-Season-27, Derrick Thomas-Season-18, Derrick Thomas-Game-5
 - thomas obvious, bennett is too, jonathan allen and i'll throw in jarrett johnson, wallace gilberry or q williams.
Pass Defenders (2-4, INTs only) - Antonio Langham, Jeremiah Castille, John Mangum, Steve Higginbotham
 - going a different route here. not a huge problem with any of those, but i wouldn't start a d-backfield without minkah fitz. i also like some of the more recent cb and s.
for cb, i'll take 2 of: langham, castille, don mcneal, kareem jackson, milliner, and dre.
for safety, i'll take 2 of: teague, minkah, collins, barron, haha, wilcox, sam shade, eddie jackson.
if i had to pick 4 from those groups, it'd be langham, kareem, teague and minkah.
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2019, 03:14:49 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 20, 2019, 02:49:41 PM
QB (1) - Drew Brees
RB (4) - Leroy Keyes (stats), Mike Alstott, Kory Sheets, Otis Armstrong
WR (4) - Rondale Moore (stats in progress), Vinny Sutherland, Taylor Stubblefield, Dorien Bryant
TE (2) - Tim Stratton, Dustin Keller
K - Carson Wiggs
P - Joe Schopper
KR - Dorien Bryant
PR - Vinny Sutherland

Pass Rushers (2-4 players, sacks only) - Ryan Kerrigan, Anthony Spencer, Rosevelt Colvin, Jeff Zgonina
Pass Defenders (2-4 players, INTs only) - Rod Woodson, Stu Schweigart, Ricardo Allen, Adrian Beasley
A few of the above were before my time as a fan (Alstott, Woodson, Zgonina, and obviously Keyes/Armstrong). I took your lead and included Keyes as pre-1971 because I could find stats. No way you can leave Leroy Keyes out of the list of Purdue running back greats.
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2019, 03:17:05 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 21, 2019, 01:42:36 PM
You can include pre-1971 players if you have the pertinent stats for them (so for Kinnick, if you have his INT numbers, include him there, but if his punting average is unknown, don't put him there).  And players can be at multiple spots, like in reality, a WR could also be your KR.




The 1971 cutoff year is based on what I was able to find - stats for national champions going back that far.  Believe it or not, for many programs, I have trouble finding pre-2000 stats.  Even more unbelievable, the NCAA site only has stats going back to 1989 for Division 1-A (FBS).  They have stats going back further than that for I-AA (FCS) for some reason.  I can't fathom why, and if they'd give me 50K/year to do it, I'd piece it together going back to leather helmets and train rides.
If multiple players can be at multiple spots then Tavon Austin should also probably be the KR and PR as well as WR.  But you can just move him to one of the return spots and put Willie Drewery at the other.
And, stat wise, Major probably isn’t the best QB to put there.  Geno Smith or Pat White both have much better numbers.
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2019, 03:55:59 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 21, 2019, 02:45:12 PM
Right, so you could want one of those old-timey QBs, but you're going to suffer with their poor TD/INT ratios.  
Yeah, so I think that means Quinn. Unless it was based on a single season, then it's Clausen.
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2019, 03:59:19 PM »
I also don't know how I ended up with 4 slot receivers... Does Purdue just never recruit/find good outside guys?

I guess with David Bell coming on campus, we'll have to see if that changes.
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2019, 06:43:19 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on March 21, 2019, 03:17:05 PM
And, stat wise, Major probably isn’t the best QB to put there.  Geno Smith or Pat White both have much better numbers.
Well to be honest, the only stats my game uses from the QB is completion % and INT%.  The other aspects that comprise QB rating is yards per attempt/completion, which is dictated by the WR/TEs.  TDs in the game are determined by skill/luck/chance (as in what type of coach you are).  
With these all-star teams, the QBs will have good stats because they're throwing to all-time great WR/TEs.  
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Re: Your School's All-Time Team, as per my game
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2019, 06:53:55 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on March 21, 2019, 03:55:59 PM
Yeah, so I think that means Quinn. Unless it was based on a single season, then it's Clausen.
While recent QB play has been much more productive and efficient, Montana was nothing special at ND.  Much like Brady is viewed with rose-colored glasses in his time at Ann Arbor due to his NFL exploits, so too, has Montana.
25 career TD passes, 25 career INT.
52% comp rate
Those weren't BAD numbers in the mid-70s, but Huarte was better, Theismann was better.  49ers Joe Montana was very different than ND Joe Montana.  I don't know why most people can't handle that.
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