QB (1) - TebowFlorida
RB (4) - Emmitt, Fred Taylor, Errict Rhett, Neal Anderson
WR/TE (6) - Ike & Reidel, Carlos Alvarez, Jabar Gaffney, Chris Doering, Percy Harvin
K - Judd Davis
P - Shayne Edge
KR - Andre Debose
PR - Brandon James
Pass Rushers - Alex Brown, Wilbur Marshall, Huey Richardson
Pass Defenders - Will White, Keiwan Ratliff, Louis Oliver
Best players, or players with the best statistics?Up to you. If you were a coach and wanted to suit up the best team you could, who'd you want?
QB: Wilson (I hate going with a 1-year grad transfer, but it's the truth).I'd skip the TE's and take the WR numbers of Nick Toon and Abby. At RB, replace Calhoun with Taylor and I'm set.
RB: Melvin Gordon, Ron Dayne, Montee Ball, Brian Calhoun (another one-year guy)
TE: Owen Daniels, Travis Beckham
WR: Lee Evans, Al Toon, Chris Chambers, Brandon Williams
PK: Phillip Welch
P: Kevin Stemke
KR: Jim Leonhard (primarily returned punts)
Having never opened the thread about Fro's game, I am so lost right now.You have some catching up to do.
No offensive linemen? And what of the defensemen?No, OL doesn't come into play as individuals.
QB (1) -WVU
RB (4) -
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OklahomaThanks.
QB (1) - Baker Mayfield
RB (4) - Billy Sims, Adrian Peterson, Greg Pruitt, Samaje Perine
WR/TE (6) - Ryan Broyles, Sterling Shepard, Mark Clayton, Juaquin Iglesias, Keith Jackson, Germaine Gresham
K - Austin Seibert
P - Tress Way
KR - DeMarco Murray
PR - Antonio Perkins
Pass Rushers (2-4, sacks only) - Cedric Jones, Jeremy Beal, Eric Striker
Pass Defenders (2-4, INTs only) - Rickey Dixon, Zack Sanchez, Darrol Ray
WVUConsidering where WV is in the helmet landscape, a really good team. Maybe sneaky-good? Speed everywhere.
QB- Major Harris
RB- Steve Slaton, Amos Zereoue, Avon Cobourne, Noel Devine
WR- Tavon Austin, Stedman Bailey, Shawn Foreman, David Saunders, Kevin White, Chris Henry
K- Paul Woodside
P- Todd Sauerbrun
KR- Darius Reynaud
PR- Willie Drewery
Pass Rushers- Bruce Irvin, Canute Curtis, Renaldo Turnbull
DB- Aaron Beasley, Pac Man Jones, Steve Newberry, Mike Logan
Wouldn't it make more sense for you to tell us who the best player at each position for our team is, according to your game?That's sort of what I did before, by using career leaders, but wouldn't it be more fun to play as Ohio State with your favorites?
OklahomaSo what I would do with this:
QB (1) - Baker Mayfield
RB (4) - Billy Sims, Adrian Peterson, Greg Pruitt, Samaje Perine
WR/TE (6) - Ryan Broyles, Sterling Shepard, Mark Clayton, Juaquin Iglesias, Keith Jackson, Germaine Gresham
K - Austin Seibert
P - Tress Way
KR - DeMarco Murray
PR - Antonio Perkins
Pass Rushers (2-4, sacks only) - Cedric Jones, Jeremy Beal, Eric Striker
Pass Defenders (2-4, INTs only) - Rickey Dixon, Zack Sanchez, Darrol Ray
Oh I gotcha. Like selecting a fantasy team with a bunch of players that you like as opposed to going off of sheer statistics.Yessir.
QB: Wilson (I hate going with a 1-year grad transfer, but it's the truth).Defenders for sacks?
RB: Melvin Gordon, Ron Dayne, Montee Ball, Brian Calhoun (another one-year guy)
TE: Owen Daniels, Travis Beckham
WR: Lee Evans, Al Toon, Chris Chambers, Brandon Williams
PK: Phillip Welch
P: Kevin Stemke
KR: Jim Leonhard (primarily returned punts)
Edit:
With the defenders:
J.J. Watt comes to mind, Tim Krumrie, Wendell Bryant, and Tom Burke
Pass Defenders: Troy Vincent, Jim Leonhard, and Jamar Fletcher
QB (1) - Kirk CousinsQB is really, really weak. Can't complain about the RBs/WRs though. Hawkins was a personal favorite from my pre-MSU fanhood days. MSU's kicker list oddly I might put up against any school in the nation. They didn't track them back then, but I assume Bubba Smith belongs on the sacks list if they did.
RB (4) - Lorenzo White, T.J. Duckett, LeVeon Bell, Javon Ringer
WR/TE (6) - Andre Rison, Charles Rogers, Plaxico Burress, Kirk Gibson, B.J. Cunningham, Courtney Hawkins
K - Morten Andersen
P - Brandon Fields
KR - Courtney Hawkins
PR - Keshawn Martin
Pass Rushers (2-4, sacks only) - Julian Peterson, Shilique Calhoun, Kenny Willikes, Robaire Smith
Pass Defenders (2-4, INTs only) - Brad Van Pelt, Todd Krumm, Darqueze Dennard, Kurtis Drummond
This whole numbers things generally skews toward the modern day--particularly in the passing game. ND is an interesting example. I would bet Jimmy Clausen is pretty high on the numbers list for an ND quarterback, but he played on a bad series of teams, so (1) isn't in the fans' pantheon; and (2) probably doesn't belong in a game like this. But from a numbers perspective? Pretty solid--although probably not in his Freshman year. Brady Quinn has--I think--the best numbers for an ND quarterback. Deshon Kizer was good. But over Montana, Theisman, and Beuerlein? Seems off.Right, so you could want one of those old-timey QBs, but you're going to suffer with their poor TD/INT ratios.
QB (1) - Tua - lol, no doubt here. #2 is mccarron imo.
RB (4) - Derick Henry, Shaun Alexander, Mark Ingram,Damien Harris- first 3 look good, but i'll take bobby humphrey as #4
WR/TE (6) - Amari Cooper, Jerry Jeudy, Julio Jones,DJ Hall, Calvin Ridley, Ozzie Newsome - hall isn't in top 10 for me, let alone top 5. i'll take a way throwback in don hutson, or for more current, oj howard to pair with ozzie or the duece - palmer.
K - Leigh Tiffin - not gonna argue, but might take his dad, van, or even proctor. but none are sure fire.
P - JK Scott - now this is sure fire.
KR - Javier Arenas - no argument, maybe the duece
PR - Javier Arenas - again, no arguement, maybe the duece
Pass Rushers (2-4, sacks only) - Derrick Thomas-Career-52, Derrick Thomas-Season-27, Derrick Thomas-Season-18, Derrick Thomas-Game-5
- thomas obvious, bennett is too, jonathan allen and i'll throw in jarrett johnson, wallace gilberry or q williams.
Pass Defenders (2-4, INTs only) - Antonio Langham, Jeremiah Castille, John Mangum, Steve Higginbotham
- going a different route here. not a huge problem with any of those, but i wouldn't start a d-backfield without minkah fitz. i also like some of the more recent cb and s.
for cb, i'll take 2 of: langham, castille, don mcneal, kareem jackson, milliner, and dre.
for safety, i'll take 2 of: teague, minkah, collins, barron, haha, wilcox, sam shade, eddie jackson.
if i had to pick 4 from those groups, it'd be langham, kareem, teague and minkah.
QB (1) - Drew BreesA few of the above were before my time as a fan (Alstott, Woodson, Zgonina, and obviously Keyes/Armstrong). I took your lead and included Keyes as pre-1971 because I could find stats. No way you can leave Leroy Keyes out of the list of Purdue running back greats.
RB (4) - Leroy Keyes (stats (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/leroy-keyes-1.html)), Mike Alstott, Kory Sheets, Otis Armstrong
WR (4) - Rondale Moore (stats in progress), Vinny Sutherland, Taylor Stubblefield, Dorien Bryant
TE (2) - Tim Stratton, Dustin Keller
K - Carson Wiggs
P - Joe Schopper
KR - Dorien Bryant
PR - Vinny Sutherland
Pass Rushers (2-4 players, sacks only) - Ryan Kerrigan, Anthony Spencer, Rosevelt Colvin, Jeff Zgonina
Pass Defenders (2-4 players, INTs only) - Rod Woodson, Stu Schweigart, Ricardo Allen, Adrian Beasley
You can include pre-1971 players if you have the pertinent stats for them (so for Kinnick, if you have his INT numbers, include him there, but if his punting average is unknown, don't put him there). And players can be at multiple spots, like in reality, a WR could also be your KR.If multiple players can be at multiple spots then Tavon Austin should also probably be the KR and PR as well as WR. But you can just move him to one of the return spots and put Willie Drewery at the other.
The 1971 cutoff year is based on what I was able to find - stats for national champions going back that far. Believe it or not, for many programs, I have trouble finding pre-2000 stats. Even more unbelievable, the NCAA site only has stats going back to 1989 for Division 1-A (FBS). They have stats going back further than that for I-AA (FCS) for some reason. I can't fathom why, and if they'd give me 50K/year to do it, I'd piece it together going back to leather helmets and train rides.
Right, so you could want one of those old-timey QBs, but you're going to suffer with their poor TD/INT ratios.Yeah, so I think that means Quinn. Unless it was based on a single season, then it's Clausen.
And, stat wise, Major probably isn’t the best QB to put there. Geno Smith or Pat White both have much better numbers.Well to be honest, the only stats my game uses from the QB is completion % and INT%. The other aspects that comprise QB rating is yards per attempt/completion, which is dictated by the WR/TEs. TDs in the game are determined by skill/luck/chance (as in what type of coach you are).
Yeah, so I think that means Quinn. Unless it was based on a single season, then it's Clausen.While recent QB play has been much more productive and efficient, Montana was nothing special at ND. Much like Brady is viewed with rose-colored glasses in his time at Ann Arbor due to his NFL exploits, so too, has Montana.
OklahomaI know Samaje has the stats, but Marcus Dupree or Joe Washington for the 4th spot
QB (1) - Baker Mayfield
RB (4) - Billy Sims, Adrian Peterson, Greg Pruitt, Samaje Perine
IndianaYou misspelled Antwaan Randel El in here somewhere. That dude's on the field at some position for any all-time IU team.
QB (1) - Trent Green
RB (4) - Anthony Thompson, Vaughn Dunbar, Tevin Coleman, Alex Smith
WR/TE (6) - James Hardy, Thomas Lewis, Ernie Jones, Cody Latimer, Jade Butcher, Ted Bolser
K - Pete Stoyanovich
P - Tyson Beattie
KR - Marcus Thigpen
PR - J-Shun Harris
Pass Rushers (2-4 players, sacks only) - Adewale Ogunleye, Van Waiters, Jammie Kirlew
Pass Defenders (2-4 players, INTs only) - Tracy Porter, Tim Wilbur, Mike Dumas, Lance Brown
You misspelled Antwaan Randel El in here somewhere. That dude's on the field at some position for any all-time IU team.This made me actually LOL. Randle El could actually break my game, as he could throw a pass to himself.
QB- Drew HensonYeah, you didn't really pay attention. Please quote post 2 of the thread and fill it in.
RB- Ty Wheatley
RB- Anthony Thomas
WR- Braylon Edwards
WR- David Terrell
WR- Desmond Howard
WR- Anthony Carter
TE- Jake Butt
OL- Jake Long
OL- Steve Hutchinson
OL- David Baas
OL- Jeff Backus
OL- Jon Jansen
DL- Brandon Graham
DL- LaMarr Woodley
DL- Maurice Hurst Jr
DL- Rashan Gary
LB- Devin Bush
LB- Larry Foote
LB- Ian Gold
CB- Charles Woodson
CB- Ty Law
Nickel- Leon Hall
S- Marlin Jackson
S- Tripp Welbourne
That’s my list. Based it off talent and production but also who was the best at their best. That sort of thing.
That OL is insane.
The secondary is even better. Dear Lord good luck going up against that secondary. Woodson and Law are NFL HOF’ers, Leon Hall was a 1st rd pick that had a long productive 15 year NFL career, Marlin Jackson was a 1st rd pick that was an All-American at safety and CB in college, and Tripp Welbourne was 2x All-American and a probable top 5-10 pick before a devestating knee injury his senior year effectively ended his career.
QB (1) - Tommie FrazierThis is the kind of nuance I'm talkin' about right here! Bravo!
RB (4) - Mike Rozier, Ahman Green, Calvin Jones, Tom Rathman (can't have I-Backs w/o FBs)
I know Samaje has the stats, but Marcus Dupree or Joe Washington for the 4th spot
I know Samaje has the stats, but Marcus Dupree or Joe Washington for the 4th spotIf you had Peterson, Sims, and Pruitt with Dupree, Dupree would only be on 2 of the 20 running play cards, due to fewer carries.
I know Samaje has the stats, but Marcus Dupree or Joe Washington for the 4th spotThose are both reasonable choices, and I thought a long time about Washington. He was playing at OU exactly when I was attending it, so he's the sentimental pick for me. I thought about putting him in as a punt returner, but his stats there aren't all that great.
You can include pre-1971 players if you have the pertinent stats for them (so for Kinnick, if you have his INT numbers, include him there, but if his punting average is unknown, don't put him there). And players can be at multiple spots, like in reality, a WR could also be your KR.Career stats? Or, individual year stats? With college football, injuries, truncated careers where one doesn't always start, it seems like one year might be best.
The 1971 cutoff year is based on what I was able to find - stats for national champions going back that far. Believe it or not, for many programs, I have trouble finding pre-2000 stats. Even more unbelievable, the NCAA site only has stats going back to 1989 for Division 1-A (FBS). They have stats going back further than that for I-AA (FCS) for some reason. I can't fathom why, and if they'd give me 50K/year to do it, I'd piece it together going back to leather helmets and train rides.
| Rushing | Receiving | Scrimmage | |||||||||||||||
| Year | School | Conf | Class | Pos | G | Att | Yds | Avg | TD | Rec | Yds | Avg | TD | Plays | Yds | Avg | TD |
| 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/1966.html) | Iowa (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa/1966.html) | Big Ten (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/big-ten/1966.html) | QB | 10 | 141 | 450 | 3.2 | 141 | 450 | 3.2 | 0 | ||||||
| 1967 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/1967.html) | Iowa (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa/1967.html) | Big Ten (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/big-ten/1967.html) | QB | 10 | 112 | 323 | 2.9 | 112 | 323 | 2.9 | 0 | ||||||
| 1968 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/1968.html) | Iowa (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa/1968.html) | Big Ten (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/big-ten/1968.html) | RB | 10 | 154 | 937 | 6.1 | 8 | 12 | 188 | 15.7 | 1 | 166 | 1125 | 6.8 | 9 | |
| Career | Iowa (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa/) | 407 | 1710 | 4.2 | 8 | 12 | 188 | 15.7 | 1 | 419 | 1898 | 4.5 | 9 |
QB is really, really weak. Can't complain about the RBs/WRs though. Hawkins was a personal favorite from my pre-MSU fanhood days. MSU's kicker list oddly I might put up against any school in the nation. They didn't track them back then, but I assume Bubba Smith belongs on the sacks list if they did.I would not assume anything other than Bubba Smith is the greatest Defensive End in history.
Career stats? Or, individual year stats? With college football, injuries, truncated careers where one doesn't always start, it seems like one year might be best.Either would work, but I think most people have considered career.
Obviously Sanders had one year that was incredible, but a career that was statistically less impressive for obvious reasons.he was a lightly recruited player as a true freshman stuck behind a RB that was an All-American the year before he got there and a guy that wound up being a future NFL HOF'er in Thurman Thomas. Not sure you can really hold that against him.
Sayers.great player, but was inferior to Sanders.
N-F-L is a 4-letter word as far as this thread is considered.F-N-F-L ?
great player, but was inferior to Sanders.I thought stats were for losers....:67:
Barry Sanders simply put could do things that no other RB in the history of the game before or since could do. The year they actually gave him a FB in the NFL he ran for 2,053 yards and averaged 6.2 ypc.
Game question: is QB based on TD/INT ratio, passer rating, or something else?QB is based on completion % and interception %.
Wouldn't it be pretty lame to play as your beloved Cornhuskers and the QB isn't a running threat?Gerry Gdowski in (1989) did average 7.91 yards per carry
Gerry Gdowski in (1989) did average 7.91 yards per carryYeah, I saw that. I hadn't heard of him and looked him up. What I meant was that you'd want him to be on some run play cards, so you'd have to drop a RB (only 4 ball-carriers per team).
WVUYou forgot about Reggie Rembert
QB- Major Harris
RB- Steve Slaton, Amos Zereoue, Avon Cobourne, Noel Devine
WR- Tavon Austin, Stedman Bailey, Shawn Foreman, David Saunders, Kevin White, Chris Henry
K- Paul Woodside
P- Todd Sauerbrun
KR- Darius Reynaud
PR- Willie Drewery
Pass Rushers- Bruce Irvin, Canute Curtis, Renaldo Turnbull
DB- Aaron Beasley, Pac Man Jones, Steve Newberry, Mike Logan
You forgot about Reggie RembertNah, I remembered him. He would have been 7th but if someone wanted to put him in there I wouldn’t have a problem with it. I really thought about him.
I'll do Pitt's - Dorsett is left off because I'm old but not so old that I ever saw him play for pitt obv. same for players like DitkaHas any school done less with more than Pitt over the 3 decades or so? Look at the names on that list. And Dorsett has to be on there. Has to.
QB: Marino
RB (this is difficult): James Conner, Curtis Martin, LeShaun McCoy, Craig Heyward
WR: Fitzgerald, Antonio Bryant, Tyler Boyd, Julius Dawkins
K: Blewitt, maybe Kessman but he was just a FR
P: Andy Lee
KR: Raphael Arujo-lopes
PR: Raphael Arujo-lopes
Pass Rushers: Aaron Donald, Hugh Green, Chris Doleman
DBs: Darrell Revis.......and ummm Jordan Whitehead?, Steve Isreal?, Tim Lewis?
Has any school done less with more than Pitt over the 3 decades or so? Look at the names on that list. And Dorsett has to be on there. Has to.Yes. Dorsett has to be there.
Since we're just going on best single season, I'll adjust my picks.This is the beauty of the exercise, you can either try to maximize your team (as you've done) or include the big name for cool factor...neither is wrong.
Thanks
Oklahoma
QB (1) - Baker Mayfield (2017)
RB (4) - Billy Sims (1978), Greg Pruitt (1971), Samaje Perine (2014), Quentin Griffin (2002). I dropped Adrian Peterson because he had a ton of carries and his ypc stat was not as good as the guys I've included.
I'll do Pitt's - Dorsett is left off because I'm old but not so old that I ever saw him play for pitt obv. same for players like DitkaNeed 2 more WR/TE.
QB: Marino
RB (this is difficult): James Conner, Curtis Martin, LeShaun McCoy, Craig Heyward
WR: Fitzgerald, Antonio Bryant, Tyler Boyd, Julius Dawkins
K: Blewitt, maybe Kessman but he was just a FR
P: Andy Lee
KR: Raphael Arujo-lopes
PR: Raphael Arujo-lopes
Pass Rushers: Aaron Donald, Hugh Green, Chris Doleman
DBs: Darrell Revis.......and ummm Jordan Whitehead?, Steve Isreal?, Tim Lewis?
Yeah, I saw that. I hadn't heard of him and looked him up. What I meant was that you'd want him to be on some run play cards, so you'd have to drop a RB (only 4 ball-carriers per team).but, he's probably the only QB that had a better average than the top backs
but, he's probably the only QB that had a better average than the top backsI get it, it's smart. But imagine you have the game and buy the all-time Nebraska set and there's no Frazier or Gill or Crouch. You'd be bummed, right?
I'd certainly be bummed if I bought the set and got my asre handed to me 90% of the timeWell that's why every all-time team would get the best defensive ratings - they're all going to be super-teams and should win a vast majority of the time vs regular teams and probably about 50% vs other all-time teams. It'd all be in how you played and the luck involved in a dice roll. I've played games where my amazing QB had 4 TD/0 INT and games where he's had 0 TD/2 INT.