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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1288 on: March 18, 2022, 02:14:50 PM »
Sounds a little too propaganda-y for me, but there's no doubt that dickface putin's invasion is a complete shit show, so I suppose it's possible.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1290 on: March 18, 2022, 02:29:19 PM »
Invasion of Ukraine : In Depth Analysis By Former US Army Paratrooper - (rebellionresearch.com)

More of an overview, I didn't see anything novel in it, some maps and estimated casualties.

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« Reply #1291 on: March 18, 2022, 02:52:44 PM »
Should I create an "Ohio Memories" thread for you jackwagons to wax nostalgic?
You poor trampled cabbage leaf,just because you live out where the buses don't run stop projecting your feelings of inadequacy onto us - and dry your eyes
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« Reply #1292 on: March 18, 2022, 03:14:56 PM »
Sounds a little too propaganda-y for me, but there's no doubt that dickface putin's invasion is a complete shit show, so I suppose it's possible.
yeah, lotta propaganda going out on both sides right now. 

I think the longer Ukraine can hold them off and inflict more damage on Russian troops, tanks, and vehicles, obviously the better it will be for Ukraine when it comes to the negotiating table.

Ukraine will ultimately have to negotiate with Russia. Russia is just much bigger, stronger country than Ukraine, and the leaders of Ukraine can't just sit there and let their country keep getting wrecked. US/NATO simply put just cannot get involved, the risks of nuclear war are just too great. 

What is a little surprising is the decay of Russian tanks/equipment- apparently none of it was in great shape- hasn't been maintained- their "stupid" bombs (definitely nowhere near as accurate as ours- and even ours make mistakes) and the fact that apparently they've been communicating on unsecure channels (which has even lead to them being intercepted and killed by the Ukranians).

Their military has numbers and a shit ton of nukes, but it's probably even more a paper tiger than most even thought. Which is probably why I think if US did get involved, Putin would make good on his nuclear threat. They'd have zero shot. US would roll them in 5 seconds flat. The only hope and prayer he'd have to even the odds is to go that route. 

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« Reply #1293 on: March 18, 2022, 03:17:53 PM »
There was one "theory" (or notion) that the Russians are using mostly second line troops and gear based in part on how many T-62s are being seen.  The "A" level troops are being kept in reserve, 
1945 Army football did this...the backups started nearly every game.  2nd quarter rolls around, and BOOM - you're toast.

Russia is no '45 Army.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1294 on: March 18, 2022, 04:11:21 PM »
I suspect (hope) the Russians have issues with their nuclear arsenal.

Last Typhoon: Can The World’s Largest Submarine Still Destroy The World? (forbes.com)

They have one last Typhoon that might be operational, or not.  They wouldn't use this is any first strike though.  Their land based missiles would be used, they are more accurate, and would be attempting to reduce our retaliatory capacity.  But we have ten Ohio class boomers, not all on station at one time of course, but five usually are, and that's a lot.  Then you have the land based ICBMs and B2s (2o of them).  That's a lot to try and negate in a first strike, especially if your gear has not been maintained well.

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« Reply #1295 on: March 18, 2022, 04:54:36 PM »
I suspect (hope) the Russians have issues with their nuclear arsenal.

Last Typhoon: Can The World’s Largest Submarine Still Destroy The World? (forbes.com)

They have one last Typhoon that might be operational, or not.  They wouldn't use this is any first strike though.  Their land based missiles would be used, they are more accurate, and would be attempting to reduce our retaliatory capacity.  But we have ten Ohio class boomers, not all on station at one time of course, but five usually are, and that's a lot.  Then you have the land based ICBMs and B2s (2o of them).  That's a lot to try and negate in a first strike, especially if your gear has not been maintained well.
let's hope they have issues. but unfortunately all it takes is one and ABM's won't stop an ICBM.

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« Reply #1296 on: March 18, 2022, 05:17:05 PM »
So Russia has nukes and they get to do whatever they want?

No.

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« Reply #1297 on: March 18, 2022, 05:23:49 PM »
yeah, lotta propaganda going out on both sides right now.

I think the longer Ukraine can hold them off and inflict more damage on Russian troops, tanks, and vehicles, obviously the better it will be for Ukraine when it comes to the negotiating table.

Ukraine will ultimately have to negotiate with Russia. Russia is just much bigger, stronger country than Ukraine, and the leaders of Ukraine can't just sit there and let their country keep getting wrecked. US/NATO simply put just cannot get involved, the risks of nuclear war are just too great.

What is a little surprising is the decay of Russian tanks/equipment- apparently none of it was in great shape- hasn't been maintained- their "stupid" bombs (definitely nowhere near as accurate as ours- and even ours make mistakes) and the fact that apparently they've been communicating on unsecure channels (which has even lead to them being intercepted and killed by the Ukranians).

Their military has numbers and a shit ton of nukes, but it's probably even more a paper tiger than most even thought. Which is probably why I think if US did get involved, Putin would make good on his nuclear threat. They'd have zero shot. US would roll them in 5 seconds flat. The only hope and prayer he'd have to even the odds is to go that route.

A lot of speculation that dickface putin has been skimming a lot of the money that should have been going to the military, and lining his pockets.  He's a mob boss warlord, not a military or political genius, so it would certainly be in keeping with his general MO.

And like many other variations of organized crime, the skimming occurs at all levels.  Everybody takes a little bit, which leaves even less for the actual original intended purpose.  And skimming service is even easier than skimming hard goods, since it's more difficult to account for in the financials.

Run a country like a thug mob boss for a couple of decades, and this is where you land.

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« Reply #1298 on: March 18, 2022, 05:38:46 PM »
A lot of speculation that dickface putin has been skimming a lot of the money that should have been going to the military, and lining his pockets.  He's a mob boss warlord, not a military or political genius, so it would certainly be in keeping with his general MO.

And like many other variations of organized crime, the skimming occurs at all levels.  Everybody takes a little bit, which leaves even less for the actual original intended purpose.  And skimming service is even easier than skimming hard goods, since it's more difficult to account for in the financials.

Run a country like a thug mob boss for a couple of decades, and this is where you land.
yeah that definitely seems very plausible. wouldn't necessarily even have to be putin lining his own pockets, could be underlings and people in the military. russia is that sort of country. extremely corrupt and it starts with the boss man.

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« Reply #1299 on: March 18, 2022, 05:43:55 PM »
So Russia has nukes and they get to do whatever they want?

No.
Hey now! Only 'Merica gets to do whatever it wants! 

On a serious note, it's not about Russia "getting to do whatever they want". Russia is at war with Ukraine. They are not at war with the US. The US is under no obligation to defend Ukraine. Ukraine is not a member of NATO. US isn't bound by treaty to guarantee their security. 

We are not the worlds police. The world does not belong to us. And the risks of US getting directly involved far outweigh any benefits. Not our problem. Not our fight. We can continue sanctioning Russia and keep sending Ukraine weapons and try to work on helping to negotiate a peace and the best outcome possible- but we have zero business getting involved in a hot war with Russia over Ukraine. Less than zero.

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« Reply #1300 on: March 18, 2022, 07:56:13 PM »
Apparently they were trying to time the attack when the ground was still frozen, but delayed for some reason.  It's possible that dickface Putin delayed because assface Xi asked him to, so it wouldn't draw attention away from the Beijing Olympics.  If that's true, then it was a costly mistake for the Russian army.

so the chinese olympics was good for something!
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1301 on: March 18, 2022, 08:00:46 PM »
So Russia has nukes and they get to do whatever they want?

No.


why don't you go ahead and put a stop to the Russian aggression?
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