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SFBadger96 · « **Reply #1274 on:** March 17, 2022, 03:13:57 PM »

Another thing to add to that article on the lack of Russian air supremacy: if you're dropping dumb bombs near your front lines, why risk your high value aircraft (with undertrained pilots)? Just use artillery. It's cheap and just as effective (or at least close to it).

What we're seeing about this war so far is that the Russian method of warfare is largely as we've long planned/trained for. It still relies more on brute strength and numbers than on precision and skill. The US (and I presume NATO) has long assumed that our only chance in a ground war with Russia was to out perform it with both technology and training. We put a lot of time and money into both. Our pilots (and our seamen, marines, and soldiers) get a lot of high quality training (it doesn't always feel that way, but it's all relative...). Part of that training is inter-service coordination, so our Army can talk to our Air Force and our Navy/Marines effectively. That's something we do quite well, and it's something that clearly Russia does not (again, more or less as we've planned for over the last seven decades). That doesn't mean our fighting force has a massive advantage over theirs: their numbers are still very large, and their culture/ethos appears to bear big losses in a way that ours probably does not. But it's an interesting validation of our strategic planning.

utee94 · « **Reply #1275 on:** March 17, 2022, 03:14:10 PM »

Take it to the In Other Oil News thread, ya jackwagon.

Edit: This was not directed toward SFBadgerIrish, as it now appears...

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #1276 on:** March 17, 2022, 03:22:39 PM »

My feelings were hurt.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #1277 on:** March 17, 2022, 03:26:07 PM »

Quote from: SFBadger96 on March 17, 2022, 03:13:57 PM

Another thing to add to that article on the lack of Russian air supremacy: if you're dropping dumb bombs near your front lines, why risk your high value aircraft (with undertrained pilots)? Just use artillery. It's cheap and just as effective (or at least close to it).

What we're seeing about this war so far is that the Russian method of warfare is largely as we've long planned/trained for. It still relies more on brute strength and numbers than on precision and skill. The US (and I presume NATO) has long assumed that our only chance in a ground war with Russia was to out perform it with both technology and training. We put a lot of time and money into both. Our pilots (and our seamen, marines, and soldiers) get a lot of high quality training (it doesn't always feel that way, but it's all relative...). Part of that training is inter-service coordination, so our Army can talk to our Air Force and our Navy/Marines effectively. That's something we do quite well, and it's something that clearly Russia does not (again, more or less as we've planned for over the last seven decades). That doesn't mean our fighting force has a massive advantage over theirs: their numbers are still very large, and their culture/ethos appears to bear big losses in a way that ours probably does not. But it's an interesting validation of our strategic planning.

I think the biggest surprise for me is how ineffective their tanks have been. When you think Russian armed forces you think huge numbers of tanks. This just hasnt happened either from bad leadership and/or the Ukrainian ability to take those tanks out. If you dont control the air and you dont get the offensive punch from your tanks youre in a world of trouble

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #1278 on:** March 17, 2022, 03:38:53 PM »

The weather has been bad for tanks--mud is rough on heavy vehicles. One question is whether they planned the timing of this attack because they thought the winter would provide more frozen ground?

You also need effective supply lines because tanks burn a ton of gas and require a lot of maintenance (our tankers all complain about the time spent in the motor pool, but it's a fact of life in the mechanized force). And you need effective coordination with your infantry support, which is particularly difficult in urban environments, where enemy ambush--particularly well-armed with tank-killing weapons--can be around any corner. Cities are about the worst place to conduct armored warfare.

Also, the effectiveness of the Javelin, NLAW, and other similar weapons seems to hasten the question of the future of armored warfare. You've always needed to support your tanks with infantry, but when the enemy infantry can effectively kill your tanks with a shoulder-fired weapon from three kilometers away, that poses real problems.

utee94 · « **Reply #1279 on:** March 17, 2022, 03:45:11 PM »

Apparently they were trying to time the attack when the ground was still frozen, but delayed for some reason. It's possible that dickface Putin delayed because assface Xi asked him to, so it wouldn't draw attention away from the Beijing Olympics. If that's true, then it was a costly mistake for the Russian army.

utee94 · « **Reply #1280 on:** March 17, 2022, 03:47:25 PM »

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1504399151961976839?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1504399151961976839%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FKyivIndependent%2Fstatus%2F1504399151961976839

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #1281 on:** March 17, 2022, 04:17:59 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on March 17, 2022, 03:45:11 PM

Apparently they were trying to time the attack when the ground was still frozen, but delayed for some reason. It's possible that dickface Putin delayed because assface Xi asked him to, so it wouldn't draw attention away from the Beijing Olympics. If that's true, then it was a costly mistake for the Russian army.

Can’t……stop…..laughing. 😂😂.

Thanks dude- made my day. I am learning a new language. Dickface and assface. 😂😂😂😂

longhorn320 · « **Reply #1282 on:** March 17, 2022, 04:33:59 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on March 17, 2022, 04:17:59 PM

Can’t……stop…..laughing. 😂😂.

Thanks dude- made my day. I am learning a new language. Dickface and assface. 😂😂😂😂

there is also ass hole but I wont say who that is cause utee would be disappointed in me

utee94 · « **Reply #1283 on:** March 17, 2022, 05:25:19 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on March 17, 2022, 04:33:59 PM

there is also ass hole but I wont say who that is cause utee would be disappointed in me

Take it to the Chinasux thread, pal.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #1284 on:** March 17, 2022, 06:42:42 PM »

Hawkinole · « **Reply #1285 on:** March 18, 2022, 01:33:24 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on March 17, 2022, 03:26:07 PM

I think the biggest surprise for me is how ineffective their tanks have been. When you think Russian armed forces you think huge numbers of tanks. This just hasnt happened either from bad leadership and/or the Ukrainian ability to take those tanks out. If you dont control the air and you dont get the offensive punch from your tanks youre in a world of trouble

I knew Russian tanks were vulnerable to Javelin missiles. Russian tanks are not as well armored as ours, and Javelins can be programed to go up in the air then down the soft upper core, or strike them head-on which is faster but less deadly. Russia has the largest tank force in the world, but not necessarily the best maintained or effective.
I am not certain there were or are enough Javelins in the theatre, although I think there are or will be now. It seems odd 75-years after WWII that tank battles were between tanks, and are now between flesh and blood men carrying 35-lb. missiles that cannot be seen by the enemy even after the missile fires, and a self-propelled armored artillery unit.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1286 on:** March 18, 2022, 07:52:05 AM »

There was one "theory" (or notion) that the Russians are using mostly second line troops and gear based in part on how many T-62s are being seen. The "A" level troops are being kept in reserve, possibly in fear of a NATO reaction, or to provoke same somehow. I know they used some airborne units at one point, or air mobile, and they aren't second line troops. I don't know of course, a lot of this still strikes me as inexplicable.

I would have first focused on cutting off Kyiv from the west and taking port cities to cut supply lines and then worried about cities. The mud is probably a factor.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #1287 on:** March 18, 2022, 02:00:08 PM »

Pretty stunning if this is true.

Russian troops 'shoot themselves in the LEGS to avoid fighting in Ukraine', as Putin’s war machine continues to crumble (the-sun.com)
Russian troops 'shoot themselves in the LEGS to avoid fighting in Ukraine', as Putin’s war machine continues to crumble (the-sun.com)

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