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« Reply #336 on: March 02, 2022, 12:08:48 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 02, 2022, 12:04:52 PM
I thought Moldova was already aligned with Putin.
There's an area that has a lot of Russian speakers, and maybe some Russian military, like the Donbas region in Ukraine.  But not all of Moldova is pro-Russian. 
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« Reply #337 on: March 02, 2022, 12:09:18 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 02, 2022, 11:54:19 AM
It is concerning if Putin is behaving irrationally, in the past, he has at least appeared to be rational in his actions.  One could look into his eyes ....
well if he'd pick a smaller table so they can sit closer together they might could again. ba dum tss
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #338 on: March 02, 2022, 12:09:22 PM »
Feel free to argue how this conflict is somehow moral and legal on some other thread.

I think this thread should be about news from this conflict and the impact it's having globally, not about what somebody else did in 2,000 BC.

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« Reply #339 on: March 02, 2022, 12:13:05 PM »
How sanctions are affecting Russia : NPR

It's interesting, to me, how these sanctions have an almost immediate impact on Russians, like how Russians out of the country somewhere else find their credit cards are not working now.

But is there any logical mechanism for removing Putin?  He's former KGB, no doubt he knows how to leverage power over others.

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« Reply #340 on: March 02, 2022, 12:15:13 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 02, 2022, 12:06:50 PM
Yeah, but see, that's just your opinion. And in my opinion, it's downright goofy to have a "discussion" about it that isn't actually a discussion. Is it really "political" to talk about United States' actions abroad impact other countries decision making? Otherwise it's just an echo chamber where we decry badness and espouse goodness.
No.  It's a thread about the ongoing unfolding events in the midst of Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine.  I'm not sure how to make it any more clear. 
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« Reply #341 on: March 02, 2022, 12:16:05 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 02, 2022, 11:54:19 AM
It is concerning if Putin is behaving irrationally, in the past, he has at least appeared to be rational in his actions.  One could look into his eyes ....
Russia was never going to act rationally over the Ukraine issue. I don't think it matters the leader. It's literally life and death for them- regardless of leader. It is of the highest strategic value to them. 
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« Reply #342 on: March 02, 2022, 12:16:43 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on March 02, 2022, 12:08:48 PM
There's an area that has a lot of Russian speakers, and maybe some Russian military, like the Donbas region in Ukraine.  But not all of Moldova is pro-Russian.
Yes, I reckon some of them might be surprised that part of the plan is for them to be returned back to Mother Russia.

Surprised and possibly even upset.
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« Reply #343 on: March 02, 2022, 12:18:37 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 02, 2022, 12:09:22 PM
Feel free to argue how this conflict is somehow moral and legal on some other thread.
Explaining root causes that contributed to an action does not equal arguing that the action is moral or legal. 
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« Reply #344 on: March 02, 2022, 12:19:28 PM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #345 on: March 02, 2022, 12:19:35 PM »
Moldova vows to seek closer ties with Europe despite fears of provoking Russia - The Globe and Mail

Moldova is worried, I was incorrect in my assumption they were already in Putin's pocket.

They have a separatist area as well, as noted above, so I learned something.  They have some good wine also.
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« Reply #346 on: March 02, 2022, 12:20:07 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 02, 2022, 12:09:22 PM
Feel free to argue how this conflict is somehow moral and legal on some other thread.

I think this thread should be about news from this conflict and the impact it's having globally, not about what somebody else did in 2,000 BC.
We can't have people thinking critically about these things!
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« Reply #347 on: March 02, 2022, 12:20:41 PM »
President Biden seems to be going out of his way not to aggravate Putin any more than necessary.  Closing US airspace to Russia only after Canada did so days earlier.  Similarly following the EU lead with the other sanctions.  Exempting Russian energy exports/sales and associated financial transactions from sanctions.  On the other  hand the EU appears to be serious about supplying the Ukraine with arms.  Hard to forecast the direction this conflict will take other than total ruin in Ukraine.  Putin leveled the Chechen capitol Grozny around 2001(?). And that was inside Russia.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #348 on: March 02, 2022, 12:20:43 PM »
god I hope that map was an error and Moldova isn't invaded. that just has the potential to truly be terrible. for everyone.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #349 on: March 02, 2022, 12:21:48 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 02, 2022, 12:20:07 PM
We can't have people thinking critically about these things!
It's a free country, you can vote on this issue with your pocketbook.  :)
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