header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: The Ukraine Topic

 (Read 76869 times)

longhorn320

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Posts: 9340
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #224 on: March 01, 2022, 03:46:52 PM »
Not sure Mexico not putting sanctions on Russia really matters at this point, when virtually the entire West already has. I do agree with the guy though that the push to censorship of Russian state-sponsored media, probably not a good idea. If you're supposedly free and open democracies with freedom of the press - then censorship is something you should be against, not for.


https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1498752705791205379?s=20&t=DokJptRiID-6OKzKJ9bcbg

man thats depressing

think of all the tacos they could withhold from russia
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

longhorn320

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Posts: 9340
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #225 on: March 01, 2022, 03:48:12 PM »
Olympus Has Fallen - Wikipedia


The long Russian convoy appears to have stalled, for reasons unclear.
they are running out of gas
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 71604
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #226 on: March 01, 2022, 03:55:22 PM »
The however long convoy has been approaching Kyiv for weeks now, it seems.  It's all in the news, and yet, something is not right here.  The tail end appears to be heavy trucks (supplies).  And it is indeed all strung out on one road, from what we can see on line.  If they want to take the city, they need to surround it and cut off supplies etc. and basically besiege it.  The alternative is to try what the Americans did with Baghdad, but I don't think that will work here.

It would be nice to understand what is happening at the head of said convoy.  Is it a combat heavy front end?  Or just supplies?  Are they in tactical formations?  Or in line?

Tracked vehicles can go cross country obviously, and should in such cases.  I just don't understand something, maybe the reportage is wrong.

longhorn320

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Posts: 9340
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #227 on: March 01, 2022, 04:00:46 PM »
I saw one report that both fuel and food are in short supply for that convoy which makes no sense unless Ukraine has somehow caused this

but youre right something is out of wack with its progress
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12213
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #228 on: March 01, 2022, 04:04:15 PM »
You'd think the Russians would have some experience with queueing in line. They did it for bread for a couple generations. 

utee94

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 17710
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #229 on: March 01, 2022, 04:04:52 PM »
The however long convoy has been approaching Kyiv for weeks now, it seems.  It's all in the news, and yet, something is not right here.  The tail end appears to be heavy trucks (supplies).  And it is indeed all strung out on one road, from what we can see on line.  If they want to take the city, they need to surround it and cut off supplies etc. and basically besiege it.  The alternative is to try what the Americans did with Baghdad, but I don't think that will work here.

It would be nice to understand what is happening at the head of said convoy.  Is it a combat heavy front end?  Or just supplies?  Are they in tactical formations?  Or in line?

Tracked vehicles can go cross country obviously, and should in such cases.  I just don't understand something, maybe the reportage is wrong.
They have difficulty in the mud, which is another reason people are questioning the sanity of the timing of this offensive maneuver.  They've missed the window where the ground is completely frozen which would have made offroad driving easy for most vehicles, and now the ground is thawing.  There are several photos on the internet over the past couple of days, of Russian tracked vehicles stuck and abandoned in the Ukrainian mud.

CatsbyAZ

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 2788
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #230 on: March 01, 2022, 04:07:09 PM »
I saw one report that both fuel and food are in short supply for that convoy which makes no sense unless Ukraine has somehow caused this

but youre right something is out of wack with its progress

Right, lack of fuel doesn't add up. This 40 mile convoy was fully readied in Belarus, whose border is 60 to 90 miles to the north of Kyiv depending on the crossings Russian Forces entered.

With that said, before the convoy stalled, how close is it now to Kyiv?

Mdot21

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 14379
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #231 on: March 01, 2022, 04:08:49 PM »
man thats depressing

think of all the tacos they could withhold from russia
yeah, but tacos are only good fresh! not frozen. 

Mdot21

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 14379
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #232 on: March 01, 2022, 04:09:10 PM »
Olympus Has Fallen - Wikipedia


The long Russian convoy appears to have stalled, for reasons unclear.
yes! that's it. I really liked that movie. even if it was kinda ridiculous and over the top. 

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 71604
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #233 on: March 01, 2022, 04:09:49 PM »
The sat photos show snippets of vehicles lined up on a road, a long line, and that was reported a couple days ago as a major threat to Kyiv.  What the heck is going on?  If it's a supply convoy, it's not going to be short of food or fuel.  It's not in any tactical formation.  I just don't get it.

Incidentally, in WW Two, the southern German offensive in 1941 (before we entered the war) was stopped before Kiev as well.  Hitler got rather annoyed (duh) and order Guderian who was 200 miles north around Smolensk to head south to take Kiev from the rear.  Guderian wanted to head for Moscow, he blames this decision for the war being lost in his book.  (I disagree.)

They did manage to take Kiev and went further east all the way to Rostov, and Guderian went back to try and take Moscow late that year, but rain and then cold set in, and many of his tanks were in need of major repair.  Tanks don't do well traveling on their own for many miles.


utee94

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 17710
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #234 on: March 01, 2022, 04:13:42 PM »
Speaking of tacos, I'm making carnitas for dinner tonight.  Oh, yeah.

Even if Mexico decided to sanction me and withhold tacos, I'd be a'ight.

rolltidefan

  • Global Moderator
  • Starter
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 2219
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #235 on: March 01, 2022, 04:15:19 PM »
Not sure Mexico not putting sanctions on Russia really matters at this point, when virtually the entire West already has. I do agree with the guy though that the push to censorship of Russian state-sponsored media, probably not a good idea. If you're supposedly free and open democracies with freedom of the press - then censorship is something you should be against, not for.


https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1498752705791205379?s=20&t=DokJptRiID-6OKzKJ9bcbg

is us and west govs forcing netflix and whatnot to drop russian tv? if not, privately held companies deciding to not carrying a channel is not an act against of freedom of the press. 

utee94

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 17710
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #236 on: March 01, 2022, 04:20:03 PM »
is us and west govs forcing netflix and whatnot to drop russian tv? if not, privately held companies deciding to not carrying a channel is not an act against of freedom of the press.
Netflix didn't drop any Russian state TV channels, they refused to add them, despite a Russian mandate telling them to do so.

I'd assume Russia will then block Netflix within its borders, and I'd imagine Netflix is fine with that.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/global/netflix-russian-propaganda-channels-1235192082/

Mdot21

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 14379
  • Liked:
Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #237 on: March 01, 2022, 04:21:45 PM »
is us and west govs forcing netflix and whatnot to drop russian tv? if not, privately held companies deciding to not carrying a channel is not an act against of freedom of the press.
did not say it's an act against the freedom of press by government - but it clearly is censorship. and I'd say my negative reaction to it is more of a principle thing. 

Not sure it hurts anyones bottom line, which is probably why these companies did it- PR move for them without hurting their bottom line- as I doubt very much they generate much revenue from Russian state-media in Europe and the US. Let's be honest, how many eye balls/clicks they really getting? Probably not much. PR stunt if you ask me.

 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.