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Topic: WWII killed Minnesota Football, why?

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medinabuckeye1

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WWII killed Minnesota Football, why?
« on: July 28, 2026, 10:33:34 AM »
The AP Poll started in 1936.  From then through 1941 or 1942 the Gophers were really THE dominant team.  

AP Poll NC's, 1936-1942:

  • 3 Minnesota (1936, 1940, 1941)
  • 1 Ohio State (1942)
  • 1 Texas A&M (1939)
  • 1 TCU (1938)
  • 1 Pittsburgh (1937)


AP Poll total Appearances, 1936-1942 (55 total polls):

  • 48 Notre Dame
  • 46 Minnesota
  • 43 Duke
  • 40 Bama
  • 39 Tennessee
  • 39 Fordham (NY)
  • 39 Santa Clara (CA)
  • 38 Michigan
  • 33 Northwestern
  • 32 Ohio State
AP Poll top-10 appearances, 1936-1942 (55 polls):
  • 39 Notre Dame
  • 37 Minnesota
  • 27 Tennessee
  • 26 Michigan
  • 24 Texas A&M
  • 23 Pittsburgh
  • 23 Northwestern
  • 22 Alabama
  • 22 Duke
  • 20 Fordham (NY)
AP Poll top-5 appearances, 1936-1942 (55):
  • 27 Minnesota
  • 20 Pittsburgh
  • 20 Texas A&M
  • 20 Notre Dame
  • 19 Tennessee
  • 14 Alabama
  • 14 Michigan
  • 13 Cornell (NY)
  • 13 Duke
  • 12 Fordham (NY)
AP Poll #1 appearances, 1936-1942 (55):
  • 15 Minnesota
  • 8 Pittsburgh
  • 4 Cornell (NY)
  • 4 Ohio State
  • 4 Tennessee
  • 4 Texas A&M
  • 3 California
  • 3 Georgia
  • 3 Northwestern
  • 3 Notre Dame
  • 2 TCU
  • 2 Texas
  • 1 Boston College
  • 1 USC


Up until the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and for a short time thereafter the Gophers were THE dominant team in the Country.  

Things got wonky for a lot of teams during WWII but most of the top teams got back to being top teams once the war was over, not Minnesota.  Here is a short version of their seasons from 1943-1960:
  • 1943 ranked in 3/9 polls, finished 5-4 and unranked
  • 1944 not ranked at all, finished 5-3-1
  • 1945 ranked in 5/9 polls, finished 4-5 and unranked
  • 1946 not ranked at all, finished 5-4 
  • 1947 ranked in 4/10 polls, finished 6-3 and unranked
  • 1948 ranked in 9/9 polls, finished 7-2 and #16
  • 1949 ranked in 8/9 polls, finished 7-2 and #8
  • 1950 ranked in 1/10 polls, finished 1-7-1 and unranked
  • 1951 not ranked at all, finished 2-6-1
  • 1952 not ranked at all, finished 4-3-2
  • 1953 ranked in 3/11 polls, finished 4-4-1 and unranked
  • 1954 ranked in 7/12 polls, finished 7-2 and unranked
  • 1955 not ranked at all, finished 3-6
  • 1956 ranked in 7/12 polls, finished 6-1-2 and #12
  • 1957 ranked in 6/12 polls, finished 4-5 and unranked
  • 1958 not ranked at all, finished 1-8
  • 1959 not ranked at all, finished 2-7
  • 1960 ranked in 10/12 polls, finished 8-2 and #1

The 1960 NC is highly dubious especially by modern standards.  The top-6 each had one blemish:
  • Minnesota was 8-1 with a loss to #19 Purdue
  • Ole Miss was 9-0-1 with a tie with unranked LSU
  • Iowa was 8-1 with a loss to #1 Minnesota
  • Navy was 8-1 with a loss to #10 Duke
  • Mizzou was 9-1 with a loss to #11 Kansas
  • Washington was 9-1 with a loss to #4 Navy


Back then the final poll was BEFORE the bowls.  After the final poll came out:
  • Minnesota lost 17-7 to #6 Washington in the Rose Bowl
  • Ole Miss beat unranked Rice 14-6 in the Sugar Bowl
  • Iowa had no bowl
  • Navy beat unranked Army then lost 21-14 to #5 Mizzou in the Orange Bowl
  • Mizzou beat #4 Navy 21-14 in the Orange Bowl
  • Washington beat #1 Minnesota 17-7 in the Rose Bowl


In a modern context the final poll would probably be Washington then Mizzou then Ole Miss but that is debatable.  What is NOT debatable is that #1 would absolutely not be Minnesota after their bowl loss to Washington.  

The reason I went through all of this is because a lot of people see Minnesota's "NC" in 1960 and assume that they were good up through 1960 THEN fell apart.  My assertion is that the 1960 MNC was both a flash in the pan as opposed to representing sustained success AND highly dubious at least by modern standards.  Thus, Minnesota wasn't good up through 1960, they stopped being a serious contender long before WWII ended and they never really recovered thereafter.  

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Re: WWII killed Minnesota Football, why?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2026, 10:41:28 AM »
Back then the final poll was BEFORE the bowls.  After the final poll came out:
  • Minnesota lost 17-7 to #6 Washington in the Rose Bowl
  • Ole Miss beat unranked Rice 14-6 in the Sugar Bowl
  • Iowa had no bowl
  • Navy beat unranked Army then lost 21-14 to #5 Mizzou in the Orange Bowl
  • Mizzou beat #4 Navy 21-14 in the Orange Bowl
  • Washington beat #1 Minnesota 17-7 in the Rose Bowl


In a modern context the final poll would probably be Washington then Mizzou then Ole Miss but that is debatable.  What is NOT debatable is that #1 would absolutely not be Minnesota after their bowl loss to Washington. 


Wow, that's no less than criminal.  

I just watched a reel that listed 5 teams that will never be what they once were.

Colorado
Pittsburgh
Minnesota
Army
and #1, Nebraska

Tough medicine, but seemed sound.

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Re: WWII killed Minnesota Football, why?
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2026, 10:45:12 AM »
I doubt any program will have a run like Nebraska had in the mid-90s
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2026, 12:22:06 PM »
I doubt any program will have a run like Nebraska had in the mid-90s
Bama?

Didn't the Sooners have a killer run with Wilkenson?
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Re: WWII killed Minnesota Football, why?
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2026, 12:24:24 PM »
Bama?

Didn't the Sooners have a killer run with Wilkenson?
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I believe he meant from now forward.

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Re: WWII killed Minnesota Football, why?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2026, 01:48:02 PM »
badge says its because their Nazi NIL pipeline dried up

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Re: WWII killed Minnesota Football, why?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2026, 02:12:12 PM »
It would be perhaps interesting to note by "era" which team was dominant, of perhaps 2-3 teams.  Not by decade, by 5-6-7-8 periods.

Who took over from Minnesota?  Was it due to a population shift?  Coaching?  Lack of support?


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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2026, 05:14:09 PM »
It would be perhaps interesting to note by "era" which team was dominant, of perhaps 2-3 teams.  Not by decade, by 5-6-7-8 periods.

Who took over from Minnesota?  Was it due to a population shift?  Coaching?  Lack of support?
Well, immediately after Minnesota you get to the WWII teams and that era is a big historical anomaly.  In the final 1943 poll Notre Dame was #1 but they subsequently lost to Great Lakes Naval.  Great Lakes Naval was #6 in the final poll which also included:
  • #2 Iowa Pre-Flight
  • #4 Navy
  • #8 Del Monte Pre-Flight
  • #10 March Field/4th AF
  • #11 Army
  • #17 Bainbridge Naval
In 1944 six of the top-10 were military schools or installations:
  • Army
  • Ohio State
  • Randolph Field
  • Navy
  • Bainbridge Naval
  • Iowa Pre-Flight
  • USC
  • Michigan
  • Notre Dame
  • March Field/4th AF
Also in the 1944 final poll were:
  • #13 Norman Pre-Flight
  • #16 El Toro Marines
  • #17 Great Lakes Naval
  • #18 Fort Pierce Naval
  • #19 St. Mary's Pre-Flight
  • #20 2nd AF
The war in Europe was over in May of 1945 and Japan surrendered in September of 1945 but the 1945 season had already started by then so Army's 1945 NC still falls in the "War era" from my perspective.  

After that the Irish really took over.  From 1946-1949 they finished 1, 1, 2, 1.  

I think you run into a cherry picking problem after that.  You could avoid that with some kind of rolling comparison where you looked at (per your suggestion) rolling 5-6-7-8 year periods.  


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Re: WWII killed Minnesota Football, why?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2026, 06:51:04 PM »
I love that I've been able to create 5 of those service teams for WNCFG. 

Thanks, AI!!!
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Re: WWII killed Minnesota Football, why?
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2026, 07:00:26 PM »
So, ND kinda knocked Minnie down, somewhat, and then we saw Oklahoma, USC came one, Ohio State never left, then Alabama started up ...I'm sure I'm missing some.


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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2026, 07:11:21 PM »
Far be it for me to speak for the pot-stirrer, but I speak dirt farmer.

I believe he meant from now forward.
Ed Zachery


yes, Saban had a run as good - he's the only one since Osborne - really don't think we will see another one but,..........

Curt is gonna try like hell with the Hoosiers
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2026, 09:28:30 PM »
Thanks to the playoff, no one will win 3 out of 4 NCs, no.  Just by sheer statistics, it won't happen.  Playing 3 straight games vs top-10 caliber opponents makes each playoff season unlikely for even the top seed to win it.  Doing it 3 of 4 years?  The math doesn't math.
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Re: WWII killed Minnesota Football, why?
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2026, 11:01:56 PM »
1993 through 1997, the Nebraska Cornhuskers football team achieved a dominant overall record of 60 wins and 3 losses (60–3)

3 losses in 4 seasons???

that would be tough
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« Reply #13 on: Today at 12:24:07 AM »
1993 through 1997, the Nebraska Cornhuskers football team achieved a dominant overall record of 60 wins and 3 losses (60–3)

3 losses in 4 seasons???

that would be tough
Sure, but that is far from apples-to-spples.  Nebraska played less high end teams in each of those seasons than a team at that level today would play in the playoffs alone. 

Even on the question of championships though, I generally agree with @OrangeAfroMan above. Even if one program managed to field the best team four years in a row the chances that they'd make it through three 12-yeam playoffs aren't very good because beating high-end opponents back-to-back-to-back is pretty unlikely even if your team is the best.

 

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