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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2022, 10:08:52 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 05, 2022, 09:31:47 AM
Yeah but Chryst went from minimum murmurs to out the door, all because he let OSU beat him twice.
but the Hawks will settle for mediocrity 
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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2022, 11:01:09 AM »
Apparently, UW will not settle. 

Sunday was the first time since 1989 (Don Morton) that UW has fired its head football coach (Paul Chryst).

The latter was far better (86-45) than the former (6-27).

Obviously, plucking a head coach from the lower levels isn't always the best thing. Don Morton is an example.

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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2022, 12:32:00 PM »
It’s all relative….
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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2022, 01:11:13 PM »
Ohio State didn't beat Wisconsin twice. Wisconsin isn't very good right now--and hasn't been as good as it is supposed to be since 2019. That's why Chryst was fired.

The Minnesota loss last year is instructive. The Badgers were good enough to be in contention for the Big Ten West, then Minnesota thoroughly outplayed them to keep them out of the CCG, showing that Wisconsin was merely an above-the-mean Big Ten West team. As noted above, it's not just losing, it's how you lose. Minnesota was clearly the better team. It's ok that this could happen in isolation, but it's not ok that it's a pattern. In the Alvarez Era, Wisconsin has become accustomed to being a contender, not merely above-the-mean. It's been too long, and this year showed things getting worse, not better.

This may have been a terrible move. We will see. Maybe this will make Badgers feel like Cornhuskers, wandering in the wilderness.

But what it shows is that the Wisconsin Athletic Department is not the Iowa Athletic Department, and doesn't want to be. And while I wouldn't have fired Chryst based on the limited information I have, I appreciate that the Athletic Director has no interest in sustained mediocrity.
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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2022, 02:35:31 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on October 05, 2022, 01:11:13 PM
Ohio State didn't beat Wisconsin twice. Wisconsin isn't very good right now--and hasn't been as good as it is supposed to be since 2019. That's why Chryst was fired.

The Minnesota loss last year is instructive. The Badgers were good enough to be in contention for the Big Ten West, then Minnesota thoroughly outplayed them to keep them out of the CCG, showing that Wisconsin was merely an above-the-mean Big Ten West team. As noted above, it's not just losing, it's how you lose. Minnesota was clearly the better team. It's ok that this could happen in isolation, but it's not ok that it's a pattern. In the Alvarez Era, Wisconsin has become accustomed to being a contender, not merely above-the-mean. It's been too long, and this year showed things getting worse, not better.

This may have been a terrible move. We will see. Maybe this will make Badgers feel like Cornhuskers, wandering in the wilderness.

But what it shows is that the Wisconsin Athletic Department is not the Iowa Athletic Department, and doesn't want to be. And while I wouldn't have fired Chryst based on the limited information I have, I appreciate that the Athletic Director has no interest in sustained mediocrity.
Great post.


It will be interesting to see how they fare this weekend in the house of horrors on The Lake. That will be telling.

I'm thinking there will be a lot of transfers out. And decommitments. 

Who on the staff stays?

Some smoke that Bobby Engram will not be calling plays this weekend. But was he really calling plays anyway? The only guy on the staff with play calling experience is Al Johnson. Maybe Bostad?

If Jimmy is indeed the next coach, and that is not guaranteed, I think he should retain Bob Bostad, Al Johnson and Alvis Whitted on offense. Johnson should coach the TE group - not the RB room. Bostad keeps OL. Whitted keeps the WR. Bring in a QB coach and RB coach. Haering is gone for sure - finally. Jury is out on Engram but that does not look good for him right now.

On defense, I think you retain everyone except D'Onofrio at ILB. They are not getting it done this year. Bobby April for DC/OLB.

Can Jimmy be head coach and still coach safeties? I'd rather not see that.

So many questions.
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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #61 on: October 05, 2022, 07:14:35 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 05, 2022, 12:32:00 PM
It’s all relative….
dumb picture. Chryst has been able to feast on a pathetic West division and he's never won the B1G. That thing has been trending down. Jim plays in the East, which has been a TOUGH division to play in- and just beat Ohio State and won the B1G last year and made the playoff. And I'm no great fan of Jim.
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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2022, 07:51:13 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 05, 2022, 07:14:35 PM
dumb picture. Chryst has been able to feast on a pathetic West division and he's never won the B1G. That thing has been trending down. Jim plays in the East, which has been a TOUGH division to play in- and just beat Ohio State and won the B1G last year and made the playoff. And I'm no great fan of Jim.
Exactly my point.  It’s all relative.  Trends.  Etc 
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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2022, 12:43:13 PM »
Um, well, this seems pretty poor.  When MSU hired away their recruiting director, he appears to have forgotten to hire a new one


https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1578052766743769088?t=vpDvJn3YlILyPCu4qZzF9A&s=19
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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #64 on: October 06, 2022, 01:25:20 PM »
Quote from: ELA on October 06, 2022, 12:43:13 PM
Um, well, this seems pretty poor.  When MSU hired away their recruiting director, he appears to have forgotten to hire a new one


https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1578052766743769088?t=vpDvJn3YlILyPCu4qZzF9A&s=19
Actions like not talking to a prospective recruit will definately hurt your recruiting efforts. Does this fall on the coach or the Athletic Dept? 
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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #65 on: October 06, 2022, 01:29:53 PM »
I read that Athletic article, and yes, not having any recruiting department for that long was one of the things the AD considered in his decision. It was a disaster of his own doing.

There are now 8 people on the recruiting staff. Too little, too late.

In addition, he did not embrace the NIL stuff. Old school.

Caleb Williams really wanted to go to Wisconsin. Instead, he chose USC, and the money.

He had to go. I thought it would be after the season though.
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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2022, 01:43:28 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 06, 2022, 01:29:53 PM
I read that Athletic article, and yes, not having any recruiting department for that long was one of the things the AD considered in his decision. It was a disaster of his own doing.

There are now 8 people on the recruiting staff. Too little, too late.

In addition, he did not embrace the NIL stuff. Old school.

Caleb Williams really wanted to go to Wisconsin. Instead, he chose USC, and the money.

He had to go. I thought it would be after the season though.
And that's why I disagreed with you (in part) about Tucker being a better coach than Dantonio.  He's not, but Dantonio was woefully unprepared for this era of college football.  Mel Tucker may not work out.  He might not be able to coach.  But Dantonio was not ready for the NIL/transfer portal era at all.  So he was going to keep taking 4 win talent and winning 6-7 games a year in perpetuity.  I'm not blind enough to know that's not always MSU, and didn't want to fire him over it.  But I wasn't sad that he retired either.
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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #67 on: October 08, 2022, 11:56:40 AM »
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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2022, 02:02:58 PM »
Interesting.

Chryst wasn’t naïve to his Badgers’ need to elevate their performance, particularly on the offensive side of the football.

But multiple sources this week told FootballScoop that Chryst’s firing had blindsided many even in the upper reaches of Wisconsin’s administration. Those same sources indicated an extremely heated conversation between Chryst and Wisconsin athletics director Chris McIntosh rested at the foundation of the stunning move. 

Sources tell FootballScoop neither Chryst nor McIntosh headed to that meeting expecting the outcome that transpired. 

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Re: Wisconsin reportedly firing Paul Chryst
« Reply #69 on: October 08, 2022, 02:23:13 PM »
seems crazy

seems like something that Pelini would have pulled
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