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Who had Florida and FSU being 3-5 eight games in?  

At least it took Florida not having 11 players from day one to help this slide occur.  FSU lost its QB and fell apart.  Meanwhile, Miami is hosting Notre Dame in a huge game....it's 1987 or something.

Who had Florida and FSU being 3-5 eight games in?  

At least it took Florida not having 11 players from day one to help this slide occur.  FSU lost its QB and fell apart.  Meanwhile, Miami is hosting Notre Dame in a huge game....it's 1987 or something.

I didn't think they'd be 3-5 but I did think FSU wasn't a top 5 team and that they would struggle this year for two reasons: poor OL and no Dalvin Cook. Cook was a special special player. He was basically their entire offense. Everything worked off of him- not the QB. And their OL was bad last year, and doesn't look much better this year. Francois got his ass kicked last year bc that OL was pure trash. He's tough as hell but no QB can take that kind of pounding year after year and stay upright.

As far as Florida goes- right coach there can turn that ship around fast. Never thought McElwain was the right guy. They went from a GOAT in Urban to a DC who had never been a head coach in Muschamp and then from Muschamp to a guy who really had 1 good year at a small school and his only other credential was he was a Nick Saban errand boy. Florida is one of the top 5-10 jobs in the sport. They should be swinging for the big dogs every time out- not settling for guys like Muschamp or McElwain.

Winning the East is sort of negated by getting pantsed in Atlanta, no?  Both times, to boot.  If you're not going to even compete in a championship game, why bother getting there?

What is the case for Scott Frost??? Youth?

Having one good season at a non-P5 is what got McElwain hired too, and at least he had SEC connections.
Florida is a Type A football program that should go after a proven championship level coach like Chip Kelly long before giving Frost a call.

Nebraska is the program that should be going all in for Frost. They should aggressively pursue Frost to a level Florida shouldn't.

I think Chip Kelly is a good coach. That said...

Since this is the coaching world, I can poke a hole in most anything. Chip Kelly has been a college football head coach for exactly four seasons. That's not all that long. He had a staff he didn't build, with a program built on generations of stability, and has never dealt with rebuilding or restarting anything (part of the Florida challenge). He was at best a disinterested recruiter, and would come to a landscape of the sport far different than the one his offense took by storm.

Scott Frost might well take 0-12 to 10-0 in two seasons. Throw in the fact a lot of these hires are less about the raw resume than softer factors, and there could be a perfectly fine case to go Frost over Chip.

(I'm not arguing one or the other, just saying ole Chip is far less of a sure thing to come close to his Oregon success than many hope, and that for better or worse will be the standard)

Florida needs to go big or go home.  It has too many inherent advantages (yes, it has some advantages over even Alabama) to not attract the best and brightest coaching minds.  The only problem is that outside of maybe Austin TX, the expectations are some of the highest (and possibly most unrealistic) in the country. 

Pull out all the stops and go after Dabo.  Most coaches are mercenaries by nature, and I don't think Dabo is an exception.  Clemson can't match Florida money-wise, and while hardly a sure thing, I think he'd at least listen to what UF has to tell him.

If Dabo goes anywhere, ever, it will be to Bama when Saban hangs 'em up.

EDSBS is always a fun read, but today I read the most angst-ridden college sport fan "despair quote" that I've ever seen:

I thought 2014 was the worst. But the other lesson here: rock bottom is just another name for the ceiling of a future basement.

LOL...