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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MrNubbz on October 30, 2017, 09:40:14 PM
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I'm guessing Mullen he's done well with Miss St.Worked with Urban is good with QB's and the AD has worked with him at MSU
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Chip Kelly
Scott Frost
Dan Mullen
If it's not one of those 3 (or someone better), then UF is settling and will continue to not matter.
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Steve Spurrier
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I am expecting Brian Kelly at ND to be a hot prospect by thanksgiving. Maybe not for Florida, but I wonder if Nebraska or Tennesee could go after him.
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That's so odd. He's about 365 days past being on a super nova-hot seat. Why would he leave ND?
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Yeah, there are times I could see him leaving, but for Nebraska or Tennessee? Nope.
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agreed
hafta been strange circumstances to go from ND to UNL
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Ron Zook.
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Chip Kelly
Scott Frost
Dan Mullen
What is the case for Scott Frost??? Youth?
Having one good season at a non-P5 is what got McElwain hired too, and at least he had SEC connections.
Florida is a Type A football program that should go after a proven championship level coach like Chip Kelly long before giving Frost a call.
Nebraska is the program that should be going all in for Frost. They should aggressively pursue Frost to a level Florida shouldn't.
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Yeah....that's why Kelly is above Frost on my list. See? Yeah.
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UF may have given up, not a good sign.
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UF may have given up, not a good sign.
They've definitely thrown in the towel.
Chip needs to be the first guy the AD calls.
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I'd give the job to anybody with a functional fire extinguisher, dumpster sized.
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I'd give the job to anybody with a functional fire extinguisher, dumpster sized.
There's some nice talent on that roster. Easy place to recruit too as well.
Right coach can win there right away.
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Who had Florida and FSU being 3-5 eight games in?
At least it took Florida not having 11 players from day one to help this slide occur. FSU lost its QB and fell apart. Meanwhile, Miami is hosting Notre Dame in a huge game....it's 1987 or something.
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Urban Meyer.
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Who had Florida and FSU being 3-5 eight games in?
At least it took Florida not having 11 players from day one to help this slide occur. FSU lost its QB and fell apart. Meanwhile, Miami is hosting Notre Dame in a huge game....it's 1987 or something.
I didn't think they'd be 3-5 but I did think FSU wasn't a top 5 team and that they would struggle this year for two reasons: poor OL and no Dalvin Cook. Cook was a special special player. He was basically their entire offense. Everything worked off of him- not the QB. And their OL was bad last year, and doesn't look much better this year. Francois got his ass kicked last year bc that OL was pure trash. He's tough as hell but no QB can take that kind of pounding year after year and stay upright.
As far as Florida goes- right coach there can turn that ship around fast. Never thought McElwain was the right guy. They went from a GOAT in Urban to a DC who had never been a head coach in Muschamp and then from Muschamp to a guy who really had 1 good year at a small school and his only other credential was he was a Nick Saban errand boy. Florida is one of the top 5-10 jobs in the sport. They should be swinging for the big dogs every time out- not settling for guys like Muschamp or McElwain.
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I thought Muschamp was a horrible hire by USCe as he always looks one inch from a physical assault. However, he handled himself pretty well yesterday, had his team ready to play, and looked the part overall. Maybe he has matured. I still don't think he's great.
Florida is a tough place to coach because of expectations. Another coach might come in and win the East a couple of times, have an injury ridden down year, and be tossed out. It COULD happen, trust me.
Of course, that team a bit north of Gville is showing some signs of waking from a longish slumber.
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Winning the East is sort of negated by getting pantsed in Atlanta, no? Both times, to boot. If you're not going to even compete in a championship game, why bother getting there?
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Winning the East is sort of negated by getting pantsed in Atlanta, no? Both times, to boot. If you're not going to even compete in a championship game, why bother getting there?
Ironically, if McElwain knew how to get along and not embarrass his bosses, he'd be riding out a bad season. But he didn't.
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What is the case for Scott Frost??? Youth?
Having one good season at a non-P5 is what got McElwain hired too, and at least he had SEC connections.
Florida is a Type A football program that should go after a proven championship level coach like Chip Kelly long before giving Frost a call.
Nebraska is the program that should be going all in for Frost. They should aggressively pursue Frost to a level Florida shouldn't.
I think Chip Kelly is a good coach. That said...
Since this is the coaching world, I can poke a hole in most anything. Chip Kelly has been a college football head coach for exactly four seasons. That's not all that long. He had a staff he didn't build, with a program built on generations of stability, and has never dealt with rebuilding or restarting anything (part of the Florida challenge). He was at best a disinterested recruiter, and would come to a landscape of the sport far different than the one his offense took by storm.
Scott Frost might well take 0-12 to 10-0 in two seasons. Throw in the fact a lot of these hires are less about the raw resume than softer factors, and there could be a perfectly fine case to go Frost over Chip.
(I'm not arguing one or the other, just saying ole Chip is far less of a sure thing to come close to his Oregon success than many hope, and that for better or worse will be the standard)
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Florida fans would take 10-3 seasons and be fine with it if the Gators were scoring 40 points per game. Ranking 100th or worse for 5 years running on offense isn't acceptable. Fix that first, immediately, and then figure out the improvement from 10-3 to 12-1 later.
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Florida needs to go big or go home. It has too many inherent advantages (yes, it has some advantages over even Alabama) to not attract the best and brightest coaching minds. The only problem is that outside of maybe Austin TX, the expectations are some of the highest (and possibly most unrealistic) in the country.
Pull out all the stops and go after Dabo. Most coaches are mercenaries by nature, and I don't think Dabo is an exception. Clemson can't match Florida money-wise, and while hardly a sure thing, I think he'd at least listen to what UF has to tell him.
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Florida needs to go big or go home. It has too many inherent advantages (yes, it has some advantages over even Alabama) to not attract the best and brightest coaching minds. The only problem is that outside of maybe Austin TX, the expectations are some of the highest (and possibly most unrealistic) in the country.
Pull out all the stops and go after Dabo. Most coaches are mercenaries by nature, and I don't think Dabo is an exception. Clemson can't match Florida money-wise, and while hardly a sure thing, I think he'd at least listen to what UF has to tell him.
Dabo is the second-highest paid coach in the county at $8.5. So Florida would pay him Saban money (and he doesn't have much need to leave)
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If Dabo goes anywhere, ever, it will be to Bama when Saban hangs 'em up.
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I agree about the Gator offense as being pivotal here. Whoever comes in better find a way to score points, which in part means finding a decent QB, they have not had one in a while. I think the QB position is of some import to the offense.
The Gator offense has been pretty mundane, putting it nicely.
They won the East a couple times when the East was down (as did Mizzou) . South Carolina looks to be coming a long a bit and Georgia is where they are right now. Kentucky can be relied upon to lose to Florida.
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EDSBS is always a fun read, but today I read (https://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2017/11/5/16609782/blatant-homerism-mizzou) the most angst-ridden college sport fan "despair quote" that I've ever seen:
I thought 2014 was the worst. But the other lesson here: rock bottom is just another name for the ceiling of a future basement.
LOL...
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Who would want to follow Saban? Dabo? He has earned a lot of cred at Clemson, and then some. I suspect Bama would have to try the coordinator route if Saban retired. Whoever replaces Meyer will have the same issues unless they win at the level expected, which is "difficult".
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Les Miles
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I'd go after Matt Campbell.
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Who would want to follow Saban? Dabo? He has earned a lot of cred at Clemson, and then some. I suspect Bama would have to try the coordinator route if Saban retired. Whoever replaces Meyer will have the same issues unless they win at the level expected, which is "difficult".
Not Dabo. He's not going to set fire to the legend he's made of himself in Clemson. I think Bama manages a coordinator route, though their new AD likes to swing for the fences.
If you have a long term, level-headed AD I think what Ohio State did with Luke Fickell can yield huge results. Since it's darn near impossible to follow a legend, and one legend rarely follows another (think Ron Zook place holding between the Spurrier and Meyer regimes), I wouldn't mind a DA hiring a transitional interim while the ground is laid for a really big name. There just aren't many fan bases that will have the patience.
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Les Miles
He's followed Saban before and that worked out pretty OK.
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Going to be a lot of openings, and I suspect many of the new coaches will fail to meet expectations, which are simply too high in many places. The Sabanator is in effect.
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"Expectations" are interesting. There are several schools that have "expectations" that are through the roof.
MNC or Bust - conference title is just not enough:
Bama (last MNC: 2015)
OSU (2014)
USC (2004*)
Texas (2005)
FSU (2013)
Notre Dame (1988) (can't win anything but an MNC)
Those immediately come to mind.
Then there are some others where many of the fans think they should be competing for MNC's on a regular basis (whether there is a track record or not). Conference titles still feel great, except for some of the younger fans of a certain few of these teams who have not seen one:
Michigan (last conference title: 2004)
Penn State (2016)
Nebraska (1999)
Florida (2008)
Georgia (2005)
Auburn (2013)
LSU (2011)
Miami (2003) (all 376 of their fans feel this way, and only about 1/2 of them have seen a conference title)
Tennessee (1998)
Oklahoma (2016)
So, how is my grouping? Maybe move OU to the top group? Is Clemson in with this crowd yet?
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there was very little talk of firing Stoops while he was beating Texas and winning the Big 12 regularly, even though he wasn't winning or playing for the MNC
and I feel conference championships would be fine for the vast majority of Longhorn fans for more than a few seasons
and USC trojans fans just really don't care that much about titles
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Care no,expect prolly
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Florida hasn't hired any total stinkers - Muschamp was over .500 in-conference (better overall). Believe it or not, Zook won 2/3 of his SEC games, as did McElwain, after this year's cliff-dive.
Many programs would ride it out, give them more time. But 2/3 isn't good enough at Florida, and while those expectations might've been irrational after only Spurrier had excelled in Gainesville, the fact that Meyer did it too means that the peripherals are there. A coach is either the right guy or he's not. Spurrier - instant improvement, hell, from his first game. Meyer - improvement, MNC in his 2nd year.
Once, nationally, there was that run of 1st and 2nd-year coaches winning MNCs, patience went out the window. Stoops, Coker, Sweater Vest, and Meyer all won MNCs their 1st or 2nd years.
So why wait? So your new guy's at 67% and you want to wait it out to see if he creeps over 70%, then struggles up over time to 75%.......meanwhile your rival's new coach is 21-3 in his first 24 games and is filling the trophy case.
Can't afford to wait around anymore, not since 15 years ago or so.
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Pondering the delta in terms of wins between "so-so coach" who was fired and "new coach" who happens to be Urban Meyer Junior, "we" came up with 2-3 extra wins a year, after 2-3 years or so. That hinges on the program being able to recruit at a pretty high level, not a program that has been 4-8 for decades (but maybe even them).
Thus, you might go from 7-6 to 10-3 in two years and hopefully continue an upward trajectory. That is for a whammo hire, and is probably what fans expect, no?
Of course, then you look at say UGA who was 10-3 for two years running when they fired Richt (and then went to 8-5).
The other side of course is that UM Juniors are hard to find, rare in other words, and maybe you might miss more often than hit, so you COULD go through 3-4-5-6 coaches who are no better than you current "Butch Jones". After a 3-4-5 years with new Coach Mediocre, you rinse and repeat, after going say 7-6, 9-4, 8-5, 7-6, fire and hire again.
This all looks pretty risky to me (duh). It to me is a bit like selling a stock and going to cash, or buying some different stock without the option of "going to cash". I suspect some/many of these coaches are fired in part because they had a falling out with the administration by saying inappropriate things that may have cost them another year.
Is Dan Mullen a miracle worker, or just a solid coach? Is he 3 wins better than MacElwain, or just two, or even only one? Or zero? Hmmmmmmmmmm..................
Let's ask Arkansas fans.
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Florida hasn't hired any total stinkers
How many wins would a "total stinker" have at Florida?
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Well, looking at other helmet SEC schools - Derek Dooley was obviously a stinker. Shula at Bama. Sub-.500 guys in conference games would be a total stinker for name-programs like Florida, Tennessee, or Alabama, no?
This is why I think offense matters, at least for Florida fans. You just look at the attitude of the Muschamp regime, and you'd think he went 0-8 every year. But he was over .500 overall - which is awful, but not Derek Dooley-awful. He's lumped in with the plague in Gainesville because he won games 12-10....on purpose! How dare he!
.531 Muschamp (conf games, @ UF)
.406 Shula @ Bama
.174 Dooley @ UT
.125 Orgeron @ OM (not on par with the other programs, but still a crap hire...have fun, LSU)
Now, the Dooley hire was obviously a comically bad one from the start. He didn't do jack at La Tech, so of course let's hire him at Tennessee, right? LOL
Now, we have UGA doing well this year after hiring Smart. Okay, but what's the difference between hiring Smart and the hire of Muschamp? The hires could be equally 'smart' initially, with unknown (and possibly unknowable) factors playing into their potential successes and failures. Muschamp didn't work out and Smart looks like he may work out......yeah, it's a crapshoot.
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I agree it's tough to know after 2-3 years. UGA seems to be recruiting at a high level under Smart, so that is suggestive that he has that part of coaching down, but Richt recruited well also. Richt was far from a "stinker" also. Fans say the culture has changed, but that may be fan optimism.
Is Mullen "that guy"? Is he 2 wins better than Mac? No clue. Florida needs a QB badly I think and the rest would follow.
I hope they get QBs badly myself, but that is an aside.
Of the various possibilities than can happen in hiring a new HC, it seems many of them are not good (to me). Firing a decent coach in hopes of getting a great coach strikes me as a crap shoot or worse.
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Not Dabo. He's not going to set fire to the legend he's made of himself in Clemson. I think Bama manages a coordinator route, though their new AD likes to swing for the fences.
I agree,many Tide fans just assume there will be this seamless transition when St Nick hangs them up.
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Fans tend to be optimists, and deep pessimists, all in the same week at times.
I expect Bama will get a good coach and keep top tier assistants, facilities, tradition, and recruits. Of course they might go 3-4-5 years without an NC a la Ohio State and the fans get restless.
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My Ohio State friends have had a bit of a roller coaster ride for obvious reasons. They are mostly oscillating through the usual stages of grief and some have reached acceptance of a sort, though a few want a new coach now. The other notion is "Better now than in the playoff (31-0).".
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it's a crap shoot
Scott Frost isn't a sure thing at Nebraska or Florida or Tennessee
MDot thinks of Chip Kelly as a sure thing at Nebraska, but not many other folks are quite as certain.
Even Urban got off to a great start at OSU and Franklin won the Big Ten last season, but they may not be able to sustain that success.
Jimmy Harbaugh was a sure thing at Michigan, but it's taking more time than some expected.
crap shoot, with more crap than anything
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fans get really riled after a blowout loss or two
I, as a fan, understand it.
But, when you're playing good/great teams such as Oklahoma and even Iowa in Kinnick, some games just get rolling to wrong way and get out of hand.
No one enjoys a blow out, but when you have young guys turning the ball over and momentum swings with big plays it happens more often than it used to.
Urban isn't a bad coach or has lost his touch because of a blowout. Perhaps he needs to change a guy or two on his staff, but there's no logical reason to think changing the entire staff will get better results.
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it's a crap shoot
Scott Frost isn't a sure thing at Nebraska or Florida or Tennessee
MDot thinks of Chip Kelly as a sure thing at Nebraska, but not many other folks are quite as certain.
Even Urban got off to a great start at OSU and Franklin won the Big Ten last season, but they may not be able to sustain that success.
Jimmy Harbaugh was a sure thing at Michigan, but it's taking more time than some expected.
There are no sure things in life. But I absolutely think Chip would be as close to a sure thing at just about any college program.
Urban walked into a pretty sweet roster at Ohio State and he just expanded that thing. Did the same thing at UF. Lot of great players were already there- that is part of the reason why he was able to win so quickly. Other part: he's just a great coach. I don't get the Urban bashing. He's an amazing coach.
Never been a believer in Franklin. Still ain't. I think last season was probably a fluke for them.
Harbaugh lost damn near all of his starting offensive tackles to injuries/transfers the past two years, been a shuffled line. Still hasn't found a QB. Peters could be the guy, but that is still a TBD. The lack of creativity and the stone-age style offense he runs- he won't be accomplishing jack-shit until he finds a real life QB and some future NFL offensive tackles. Lots of offensive systems can hide the QB and make things easier for the OL- use creativity, tempo, all kinds of things. Not Harbaugh's offense- that offense is a basic ass bitch. Even MSU and the much maligned Dave Warner throw in more wrinkles, have a more creative offense than a Harboffense.
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I took a look and I found that Chip Kelly's Show Cause penalty imposed by the NCAA has expired.
So at least there's that.
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Urban Meyer should be fired TODAY. Well, I read that somewhere on the Interwebz.
I would feel sorry for these coaches but then I look at the salaries.
I was somewhat friendly with one of our VPs. His personal life was not something I'd like in that he had 6 weeks of vacation, took about two of that each year, and worked almost the entire time he was out. He got paid a lot, but was getting pretty burned out by 50. His day was meetings after meetings listening to people (like me) telling him things he didn't care about but had to show interest. He usually was in about the same I was, around 7:15 and left long after I left.
Long ago, I had a chance to follow a director around all day to see what he did. I'd been with the company 6-7 years I guess. I hated his job, and I was just an observer.
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Urban Meyer should be fired TODAY. Well, I read that somewhere on the Interwebz.
I would feel sorry for these coaches but then I look at the salaries.
Ain't that the damn truth lol. Saban making $11 million, Dabo and Harbaugh over $8mil and Urban almost $7mil.
Ridiculous the crap they have to put up with from stupid fans if they don't win every game and by 30- but when you're making that kind of cheddar- can't feel sorry for any of them. Comes with the job. Hell you can even suck as a coach and make a fortune. Brady Hoke was making like close to $3.5 million a year.
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I'd love to see Chip Kelly and Will Muschamp on the same sideline. WM bitching about how quickly the offense keeps scoring and Kelly trying to be even quicker, just to mess with his own DC.
Cincy, you'd get your Mount St. Muschamp moment you're pining for.
I think Chip Kelly at Florida would be a definite upgrade, and almost unfair, except when UF would play LSU and Bama (and maybe sometimes UGA) - where that big-boy style almost always defeats Chip Kelly style (think Stanford over Oregon).
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Badger used to drone on about how the Butch Jones finesse OL approach wouldn't work in the SEC. Derp.
The thing about a fast scoring offense is that it puts your D back on the field rather soonish.
UGA had over 38 minutes ToP against USCe last weekend. They didn't score much but they just held the ball for long periods while the D rested. To their credit, USCe's D did not fold.
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rumor in Lincoln that UF has offered Scott Frost 34 million over 7 years
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rumor in Lincoln that UF has offered Scott Frost 34 million over 7 years
I'm thinking he's gonna get more than that, given all of the openings there will be come December.
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I'm guessing the guys at UNL will offer more than that
will be a new era in the state. Dirt farmers in the state won't like spending that much, but it will get done
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What about Chris Peterson?
I was idly thinking about coaching changes the Dawgs made post-Dooley. The first hire was just not a good one, and then they got Donnan, who basically could win 8-9 a year while losing to UF and Tenn and Auburn and Tech, not good. Then Richt who stepped it up a notch to winning 9-10 a year and with some top five finishes and two SEC titles. Now Smart, who might step it up another notch (early to say he has). Of course, everything else did not stay the same over those years.
I see some posts by OSU fans who think Meyer is "over the hill" and should step down. OSU might be 12-2 yet this year and their fans often will think of it as a down year, almost a disaster.
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OSU fans best be careful what they wish for.
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I'm guessing the guys at UNL will offer more than that
will be a new era in the state. Dirt farmers in the state won't like spending that much, but it will get done
Can't/Won't Florida pay more than UNL?
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Compensation might not be the sole consideration (one hopes).
The upside today at Florida strikes me as higher than at UNL. The pressure may be higher also.
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Can't/Won't Florida pay more than UNL?
I would guess they can. Maybe won't for a young guy with one and a half seasons experience at UCF
Perhaps, UF thinks UNL can't offer more than that or has their eye on someone else
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Compensation might not be the sole consideration (one hopes).
The upside today at Florida strikes me as higher than at UNL. The pressure may be higher also.
I've always heard coaches biggest factor is easiest recruiting or where they can get the best talent
that would be UF
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UF's recruiting problem is FSU and Miami and occasionally neighboring schools. IF Miami comes back to prominence and FSU stays prominent, UF might struggle a bit at times. There is a notion that only two of the three can be good at the same time.
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Final Poll:
1991
1. Miami
4. FSU
7. Florida
1992
2. FSU
3. Miami
10. Florida
1993
1. FSU
5. Florida
15. Miami
1994
4. FSU
6. Miami
7. Florida
1996
1. Florida
3. FSU
14. Miami
2000
2. FSU
3. Miami
7. Florida
2001
1. Miami
3. Florida
15. FSU
2003
7. FSU
9. Miami
15. Florida
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Yep. Each of those years one of the three was worse than the other two.
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yup, I call BS
back in the early 90s the only word from ESPN wasn't about the SEC, it was that the state of Florida would rull forever because of recruiting
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Yep. Each of those years one of the three was worse than the other two.
Nice
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and more times than not, it was the gators
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What about Chris Peterson?
He ain't leaving Washington. Think Patterson at TCU. I'll be absolutely shocked if Peterson ever coaches anywhere else.
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He ain't leaving Washington. Think Patterson at TCU. I'll be absolutely shocked if Peterson ever coaches anywhere else.
I would be too, but I really thought he was never leaving Boise. So there's a small chance at least.
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According to Wikipedia Patterson's contract with TCU goes through 2022 at $4.75 million per year. So if he goes anywhere, anywhere will be paying through the nose to get him.
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Yep. Each of those years one of the three was worse than the other two.
LOL!
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He ain't leaving Washington. Think Patterson at TCU. I'll be absolutely shocked if Peterson ever coaches anywhere else.
Well, I'm not so sure Peterson will be a Washington lifer... But I'd be SHOCKED if he ever went somewhere like Florida.
I looked him up on Wikipedia. He was born in CA north of Sacramento. He went to college in Sacramento and then UC Davis. Every coaching stop he's been at, with the exception of a single year at Pittsburgh, has been in the Pacific NW.
I could see him as the kind of coach that might succeed Shaw at Stanford if/when that job comes open, or maybe Cal. I don't think based on everything that I've heard about Peterson that he's into the glitz and glamour of LA, so USC/UCLA might not interest him.
But I'd be surprised to see him ever go east of maybe Colorado or Utah.
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he could leave Washington simply because he gets fired
it happens to good coaches all the time
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Petersen has already turned down USC. Twice. Not sure if UCLA ever offered him, but I know they kicked the tires.
Everyone has kicked his tires though, including King Barry when Boss Hawg (for now) left (that's the rumor anyway).
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Washington is a pretty good gig
perhaps he's smart enough to be content
Did he have any connection with Don James?
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No. Belotti at Oregon and then Dan Hawkins at Boise.
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UDubb is a good gig, even if they are 9-4.
At Florida, 9-4 of course gets you fired.
When you are making say $4 million, is $8 million really a better option if you prefer to stay put with your kids or whatever else is constant in life?
$4 million times ten is more than $8 million times 3 with an $10 million buy out anyway. Well, not quite, maybe after taxes. My math isn't quite on point here.
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Your math works for me.
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doesn't work for most coaches, cause they care more about the challenge, the crystal football, and impressing their peers
big Egos
but, then y'all know that
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doesn't work for most coaches, cause they care more about the challenge, the crystal football, and impressing their peers
big Egos
but, then y'all know that
Well, Washington is one of those schools that isn't COMPLETELY on the outside when it comes to the opportunity to hoist the crystal football, especially as Oregon and Oregon State have faltered. That puts them in the lead regionally for recruiting, and all it takes is for Stanford to have any sort of a slide and their road to the PAC-12 North and the CCG might be cleared.
Of course, the Pirates of Pullman seem to be more of a threat than anyone legitimately thought they would. We'll see if they can maintain it. But recruiting-wise I think recruits would still rather be in Seattle than in Pullman.
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UDubb is a good gig, even if they are 9-4.
At Florida, 9-4 of course gets you fired.
When you are making say $4 million, is $8 million really a better option if you prefer to stay put with your kids or whatever else is constant in life?
$4 million times ten is more than $8 million times 3 with an $10 million buy out anyway. Well, not quite, maybe after taxes. My math isn't quite on point here.
Makes a lot of sense unless you're a serial,narcissistic,pandering career climber
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Well, Washington is one of those schools that isn't COMPLETELY on the outside when it comes to the opportunity to hoist the crystal football, especially as Oregon and Oregon State have faltered. That puts them in the lead regionally for recruiting, and all it takes is for Stanford to have any sort of a slide and their road to the PAC-12 North and the CCG might be cleared.
Of course, the Pirates of Pullman seem to be more of a threat than anyone legitimately thought they would. We'll see if they can maintain it. But recruiting-wise I think recruits would still rather be in Seattle than in Pullman.
USC is the lead of recruiting, even up north there.
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and more times than not, it was the gators
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We have as many NCs & Heismans as FSU and Miami hasn't mattered since I was still in college (before this year).
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You can list the probable coaching vacancies and throw Washington in there, too, and you'll have a hierarchy. A&M, Tennessee, UCLA, Arkansas, Nebraska, and whoever else.....Florida is the #1 job available.
Either the best coach available wants it, or not. If he shirks from it, then he's probably not the best coach available.
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so, your more or less saying Florida will get the best coach at the end of the season
well, no more worries for Gator fans
just more NCs and Hypesmans
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Or.......I'm saying the best coaches tend to want and get the best jobs. So Florida is likely to get the best coach of the available bunch. Likely, in terms of the NBA draft lottery, where the team with the best chance has like a 10% chance at the top pick and the next team has a 9% chance and so on.
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I do agree with you in principle...
but, the world is a complex place and the things running around in very tight circles in top coaches heads is wacky
Scott Frost could be the best coach, no one knows.......... Scott might cornsider UF to be the best job available, but with a child on the way and Doc Tom calling and Mom and Pop wanting him to be close, Scotty might chose a job that isn't the best
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If UF gets Kelly or Frost, I'll be optimistic. If they get the VT guy or the ISU guy or Mullen or the Memphis guy or whoever else, I'll view them as another McElwain until they prove they're not.
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If I may be so bold as to advise UNL on their hire - get the Army HC. Run the option, be who you are, and win a lot of games. 7-2 at Army is like 13-0 anywhere else.
Get Barry Bonds to supply the OL with whatever they need - cutting-edge NASA-level stuff that can't be detected, and be Nebraska again! :72:
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You can list the probable coaching vacancies and throw Washington in there, too, and you'll have a hierarchy. A&M, Tennessee, UCLA, Arkansas, Nebraska, and whoever else.....Florida is the #1 job available.
Don't know about that.The right guy at UCLA - Chip Kelly maybe,has Cali to shop from
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You can win a NC at UCLA and get plenty of talent, but UCLA = Auburn.....red-headed stepchild.
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According to.....you.Fla has to split the Seminoles/Canes/Gators and the scourge to the west.Cali has SC/UCLA and Phil to the north Maybe.With a population of 38-39 mil(Cali) and Fla with 20.5 mil do the math
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If UF gets Kelly or Frost, I'll be optimistic. If they get the VT guy or the ISU guy or Mullen or the Memphis guy or whoever else, I'll view them as another McElwain until they prove they're not.
if Sparty beats Urban this weekend, Jimmy H. gets a lucky upset in the game, and the Bucks drop the crap bowl, perhaps Florida could get Urban back.
He would be the best coach available
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According to.....you.Fla has to split the Seminoles/Canes/Gators and the scourge to the west.Cali has SC/UCLA and Phil to the north Maybe.With a population of 38-39 mil(Cali) and Fla with 20.5 mil do the math
it's not simple math bucknut
kids in Florida play football
kids in Cali surf and play soccer (foot ball)
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if Sparty beats Urban this weekend, Jimmy H. gets a lucky upset in the game, and the Bucks drop the crap bowl, perhaps Florida could get Urban back.
He would be the best coach available
Shut your whore mouth FF!
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it's not simple math bucknut
kids in Florida play football
kids in Cali surf and play soccer (foot ball)
John McKay,John Robinson and Pete Carrol said Hello.So do Dick Vermeil & Terry Donahue
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if Sparty beats Urban this weekend, Jimmy H. gets a lucky upset in the game, and the Bucks drop the crap bowl, perhaps Florida could get Urban back.
He would be the best coach available
Coaching in Columbus must be a breeze, his poor heart couldn't handle a return to Gainesville.
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If I may be so bold as to advise UNL on their hire - get the Army HC. Run the option, be who you are, and win a lot of games. 7-2 at Army is like 13-0 anywhere else.
Get Barry Bonds to supply the OL with whatever they need - cutting-edge NASA-level stuff that can't be detected, and be Nebraska again! :72:
I'm on board
just one question........... can Jeff Monken recruit? Lincoln, NE isn't Georgia Southern or Army at West Point
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According to.....you.Fla has to split the Seminoles/Canes/Gators and the scourge to the west.Cali has SC/UCLA and Phil to the north Maybe.With a population of 38-39 mil(Cali) and Fla with 20.5 mil do the math
The state of Florida stocks 3 major programs and the skill position talent for all the other helmet teams across the country.
CA stocks USC and the rest of the West, and having lived out here in AZ for the past decade, there's a major cultural difference out here.
Football in FL is like raging fire, football in CA more like smoldering fire.
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And if they could play an annual round-robin, going back 20 years or so....
best HS team in FL > best HS team in TX > best HS team in CA
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John McKay,John Robinson and Pete Carrol said Hello.So do Dick Vermeil & Terry Donahue
don't forget Howard Jones
John Robinson split with Bama in 78
and Pete the cheat has been vacated
You mean Henry Russell Sanders at UCLA in 54?
Vermeil's best season was 9-2-1
Donahue was never undefeated in conference play
and all those chumps had little competition compared to the mighty SEC and Big Ten!
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Shut your whore mouth FF!
oops, I was directing that at the Orange dude
didn't know you were reading........
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The state of Florida stocks 3 major programs and the skill position talent for all the other helmet teams across the country.
CA stocks USC and the rest of the West, and having lived out here in AZ for the past decade, there's a major cultural difference out here.
Football in FL is like raging fire, football in CA more like smoldering fire.
You getting nervous Chip is waiting for what Westwood will do?
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best HS team in FL > best HS team in TX > best high school team in Georgia> best high school team in Alabama> best high school team in Mississippi> best high school team in Louisiana> best high school team in Ohio> best high school team in Michigan> BEst high school team in Pennsylvania> best HS team in CA
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Didn't know they actually played HTH.Or are you entering OAM realm of reasoning.IMG is a collection of kids from all over catered to making grades and entering a football factory.Oh and I don't see Nebraska on your list ;)
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population of big white farmboys in Nebraska 1.9 mill
just some simple math
;)
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I'm sure it's a fine place to live & grow.Just not stocking the shelves for a Husker Juggernaut
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population of big white farmboys in Nebraska 1.9 mill
just some simple math
;)
There's only 1.9M people in the state, but they're all big white farmboys?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIXpFagUEAAfoHz.jpg)
I assume they have very loving relationships with their sheep...
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Good flick
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prolly 0.9 million womenfolk
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e8/83/df/e883dfb27dbffa4a60ae3492ca7596ce--twin-peaks-girls-football-girls.jpg)
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Didn't know they actually played HTH.Or are you entering OAM realm of reasoning.IMG is a collection of kids from all over catered to making grades and entering a football factory.Oh and I don't see Nebraska on your list ;)
I was thinking before IMG existed - those 6A Miami Central and Miami Northwestern teams had double-digit Division 1-A signees every year. Sefner Armwood, Tampa Plant, Lakeland, Ft. Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas, Palm Bay, and the Belle Glade schools were/are factories.
Skill position talent galore AND athletic linemen with thick legs.....not your ordinary HS football players.
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lol you guys are stupidly underrating the top football talent and teams in CA.
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who you callin stupidly????
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best HS team in FL > best HS team in TX > best high school team in Georgia> best high school team in Alabama> best high school team in Mississippi> best high school team in Louisiana> best high school team in Ohio> best high school team in Michigan> BEst high school team in Pennsylvania> best HS team in CA
Yeah, no.
The best high school teams in Ca are powerhouse religious schools that recruit. The good ones could hang with the recruiting religious schools in many of those states.
The difference comes in the public schools where football is more expected, either on the bigger, wealthier side or the small ones in the middle of nowhere that just have a shocking level of talent.
(Also, Alabama and Mississippi over Louisiana? Ha)
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My list of programs that should be able to do better is a bit shorter even after last night:
Illinois
North Carolina
(Washington was the other one.)
Rutgers could be added in a relative sense. Who else, aside from the programs that are directional etc.?
The "right coach" has taken some of those TCU kinds of programs to rather exalted status of late (and perhaps vice versa at places like Oregon and Texas).
Tennessee doesn't have the injury/suspension excuse this year.
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When I was a child living in Augusta, GA, the main HS was "Richmond Academy", public not private. Each year they would start out 9-0 it would seem beating to a pulp teams like Martinez and whatever else. Then they would play Valdosta and get absolutely demolished. I don't think they ever beat Valdosta.
I later learned that back in the day the businessmen in Valdosta would "scout" good junior high players, find out what their dad did for work, and offer him a lucrative job in Valdosta to get him to move, with his son of course, and perhaps younger son who had talent. This was back when segregation was still in force in practice is not legally. I don't think Georgia high schools yet had black players at all, which is "interesting".
So, Valdosta would run through the schedule and championships almost every year. This apparently was legal.
Today, they are still competitive even though neighboring programs are also quite good at times, and the ATL metro schools can be powerhouses as well, including the one I attended.
The South can be interesting.
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where there's a will there's a way
and that goes for anywhere
just a lot of will to win football games in the south
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Eh, I think of Auburn more like Michigan State or Texas A&M. A program with a real fanbase, that just happens to share a state with a big time helmet.
UCLA just happens to be located in California. They seem to struggle to even get people to care about their basketball program.
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You can win a NC at UCLA and get plenty of talent, but UCLA = Auburn.....red-headed stepchild.
I tell you what, Josh Rosen is the best pure thrower of the football that I have seen in a long time and they have never come close to even sniffing a conference title let alone an NC with him. Aikman was one of the great pure passers ever as well- and UCLA never came close to an NC with him the two years he started there. I have my doubts about UCLA as a program. I think it's pretty hard to win it all there.
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I was just saying that you could win one there, and it wouldn't change things - they'd still be USC's bitch (program-wise).
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in terms of HS football....no state produces QB's like California. And it's not even remotely close. Pennsylvania used to in the 70s and 80s, but that well has dried up big-time.
Florida produces probably the most talent all up and down the defense and at the skill positions on offense. The QB's and OL's seem to kinda be lacking though. Outside of Tebow- who was a GREAT college player, can't really think of one QB from the state of Florida that was really good.
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I was just saying that you could win one there, and it wouldn't change things - they'd still be USC's bitch (program-wise).
Oh well that is certainly true. USC is one of the 8-9 "blue bloods" of the sport.
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in terms of HS football....no state produces QB's like California. And it's not even remotely close. Pennsylvania used to in the 70s and 80s, but that well has dried up big-time.
Florida produces probably the most talent all up and down the defense and at the skill positions on offense. The QB's and OL's seem to kinda be lacking though. Outside of Tebow- who was a GREAT college player, can't really think of one QB from the state of Florida that was really good.
Tommie Frazier
Daunte Culpepper
Ken Dorsey
Brad Banks
Lamar Jackson.....reigning Heisman winner
The QB issue with FL is all those great skill position players play QB in HS and then move to RB or WR in college. The most notable maybe Anquan Boldin - FSU - borderline HOF NFL WR.
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Tommie Frazier
Daunte Culpepper
Frazier was an option QB who completed 49% of his passes for his career. Not trying to knock him, he was a great college player and fit for that Nebraska offensive system and he was on some really good teams- had some amazing runs- but it's hard for me to consider him a true QB. More like a RB playing QB.
Daunte Culpepper to me was always incredibly mediocre. Big time arm strength and size, but not much else. He was basically just a creation of Randy Moss. Randy Moss and Cris Carter made him his first couple years. Once Carter left Culpepper's numbers dipped for a couple years. Bounced back for a year and then once Randy Moss left he completely fell apart.
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Tommie Frazier
Daunte Culpepper
Ken Dorsey
Brad Banks
Lamar Jackson.....reigning Heisman winner
The QB issue with FL is all those great skill position players play QB in HS and then move to RB or WR in college. The most notable maybe Anquan Boldin - FSU - borderline HOF NFL WR.
I have my doubts about Lamar Jackson as an NFL QB. Incredible college player though.
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Jesus Christ, your standards are high. And btw, you acknowledged Tebow as a great COLLEGE player, so that's where I thought your focus was.
That list of QBs won 3 NCs and 2 Heismans......Culpepper was a 1st round pick with a 10-year NFL career. Jeez.
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Jesus Christ, your standards are high. And btw, you acknowledged Tebow as a great COLLEGE player, so that's where I thought your focus was.
That list of QBs won 3 NCs and 2 Heismans......Culpepper was a 1st round pick with a 10-year NFL career. Jeez.
I don't think my standards are that high. Frazier didn't put up the kind of numbers Tebow did, and it was just a different era. Culpepper to me is no better/worse than someone like Brian Griese who was a 3rd round pick and played 11 years in the NFL.
California has produced QB's like.....Aaron Rodgers, John Elway, Troy Aikman (who grew up in Cali, moved to Oklahoma then moved back to Cali), Tom Brady, Derek Carr, Carson Palmer (better than Culpepper ever dreamed of being- and he's not even that great), Alex Smith (compares favorably to Culpepper- and he's never been that good imo), then you have guys who were great in college but pretty mediocre after like Matt Leinart, David Carr, Trent Dilfer, and right now in my mind the two best college QB's bar none are Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold- both from California.
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I don't think anyone suggested CA QBs weren't better than FL's.
I could be silly and go the extra step of saying Rodgers, Aikman, and Brady weren't athletic enough to move to RB or WR :57:
Saying someone didn't put up the numbers Tebow did is sort of weird - no one did. But okay, CA produces QBs, cool. FL produces RB, WR, OL, great DL, LB, and DBs.
What state produces kickers?
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I don't think my standards are that high. Frazier didn't put up the kind of numbers Tebow did, and it was just a different era. Culpepper to me is no better/worse than someone like Brian Griese who was a 3rd round pick and played 11 years in the NFL.
California has produced QB's like.....Aaron Rodgers, John Elway, Troy Aikman (who grew up in Cali, moved to Oklahoma then moved back to Cali), Tom Brady, Derek Carr, Carson Palmer (better than Culpepper ever dreamed of being- and he's not even that great), Alex Smith (compares favorably to Culpepper- and he's never been that good imo), then you have guys who were great in college but pretty mediocre after like Matt Leinart, David Carr, Trent Dilfer, and right now in my mind the two best college QB's bar none are Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold- both from California.
More than a few of the sports-meda talking heads would disagree with you and put that label on Baker Mayfield.
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I don't think anyone suggested CA QBs weren't better than FL's.
I could be silly and go the extra step of saying Rodgers, Aikman, and Brady weren't athletic enough to move to RB or WR :57:
Saying someone didn't put up the numbers Tebow did is sort of weird - no one did. But okay, CA produces QBs, cool. FL produces RB, WR, OL, great DL, LB, and DBs.
What state produces kickers?
Georgia, Tennessee, South America and Europe.
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More than a few of the sports-meda talking heads would disagree with you and put that label on Baker Mayfield.
I would love to see what my Badgers would look like with Mayfield at the helm. Holy crap.
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I would hate to see what my Sooners would look like without him, Badge.
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AP Top 25
1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Miami (ACC)
3. Oklahoma (Big 12)
4. Clemson (ACC)
5. Wisconsin (Big Ten)
6. Auburn (SEC)
7. Georgia (SEC)
8. Ohio State (Big Ten)
9. Notre Dame (Div. I FBS Independents)
10. Oklahoma State (Big 12)
check the rosters of the top 10 teams this week...... more kids from Florida or Cali? Heck, count Cali QBs as 2
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More than a few of the sports-meda talking heads would disagree with you and put that label on Baker Mayfield.
Our Michigan affiliate is factoring in NFL potential.Mayfield may lead the conversastion as a collegiate QB
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Our Michigan affiliate is factoring in NFL potential.Mayfield may lead the conversastion as a collegiate QB
I figured Mdot was doing that, Mr. Nubbz. However, he did say "college quarterback."
Mayfield might make it as a pro, but his lack of height and his gunslinger style will obviously work against him.
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Our Michigan affiliate is factoring in NFL potential.Mayfield may lead the conversastion as a collegiate QB
yes. Mayfield is the best player in college though, for sure. Won't get any arguments from me there.
In defense of them, Darnold has been playing on maybe the most banged up team in the country, and Rosen is basically a one man show. Poor kid has no help.
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Mayfield and JT Barrett are from TX. Bama's Calvin Ridley and OSU's Bosa bros. are from FL.
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Mayfield and JT Barrett are from TX. Bama's Calvin Ridley and OSU's Bosa bros. are from FL.
I think Ridley is kind of over-hyped. Best WR in the nation plays for Okie State. James Washington of Texas.
Mayfield and Barrett are great college players, Mayfield probably projects to the next level a lot better but I do think the system they play in and the players they have around them definitely benefit them a lot. They aren't asked to do the things Darnold and Rosen are asked to do. They also get a lot of free looks and easy throws just because of the way their offensive systems are set up.
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I would hate to see what my Sooners would look like without him, Badge.
I guess that means a trade is not in play?
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I guess that means a trade is not in play?
:)
No trade. But feel free to pursue him as a free agent after this season concludes. ;)
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I figured Mdot was doing that, Mr. Nubbz. However, he did say "college quarterback."
Mayfield might make it as a pro, but his lack of height and his gunslinger style will obviously work against him.
Yeah, that really got in Brees' way too.
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I think Ridley is kind of over-hyped. Best WR in the nation plays for Okie State. James Washington of Texas.
Mayfield and Barrett are great college players, Mayfield probably projects to the next level a lot better but I do think the system they play in and the players they have around them definitely benefit them a lot. They aren't asked to do the things Darnold and Rosen are asked to do. They also get a lot of free looks and easy throws just because of the way their offensive systems are set up.
You mention systems helping Mayfield and Barrett, but ignore them when considering Ridley and Washington. Ridley has a glorified RB throwing to him on a team that hands the ball off 70% of the time, while OK State goes deep every other snap....
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The downside of firing your coach early is the waiting game. Not going to hear anything for another month at the earliest.
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Nebraska hasn't fired the coach yet, but the entire state and fan base is waiting for the name of the next coach
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Chip Kelly
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/report-florida-received-verbal-commitment-wont-issue-hiring-chip-kelly (https://www.seccountry.com/florida/report-florida-received-verbal-commitment-wont-issue-hiring-chip-kelly)
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good news for Husker fans
Chip wasn't coming to Lincoln
one less heavyweight trying to hire Frost
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Bravo Florida. That's a home run hire. Can't wait to see the kind of offenses Florida is going to field under Chip. Gonna see things UF fans have seen since Meyer/Tebow glory days.
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Ehhhh, Florida hasn't hired anyone, so......hold fast.
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UF is merely clearing the hurdles so they can take their pick
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Florida is a tough place to coach because of expectations. Another coach might come in and win the East a couple of times, have an injury ridden down year, and be tossed out. It COULD happen, trust me.
Unless a candidate is young and very ambitious, who would want the Florida job, given that they mistreat, cast aside and show no loyalty towards their HCs? An experienced, successful coach probably doesn’t want the headache of the ridiculous expectations combined with the very real threat of getting fired almost immediately, even if they do fairly well at the job. Florida (and Tennessee) need to experience the consequences of their actions (complete disloyalty towards their HCs), hopefully nobody decent will take the job, and a lesson will be learned. Probably not that likely, but one has to hope. Also, Florida is going to have to put huge buyout clauses into the contracts of desirable candidates.
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All that is sort of true, but keep in mind UF has had a recent AD change. That adds to the probability of a HC being replaced.
But....if a HC wants loyalty, he needs to win. 2/3 of your conference games isn't good enough at Florida, period. 2/3 of your games is usually good for 3rd in the division - McElwain lucked out and it was good enough for a couple of 1st-place finishes in the division.
UF does run the risk of scaring some prospective HCs away, but it's worth it - you can only be an elite program if you expect to be an elite program.
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All that is sort of true, but keep in mind UF has had a recent AD change. That adds to the probability of a HC being replaced.
But....if a HC wants loyalty, he needs to win. 2/3 of your conference games isn't good enough at Florida, period. 2/3 of your games is usually good for 3rd in the division - McElwain lucked out and it was good enough for a couple of 1st-place finishes in the division.
UF does run the risk of scaring some prospective HCs away, but it's worth it - you can only be an elite program if you expect to be an elite program.
honestly- the guy deserved to be fired. So did Zook. I don't think there's any more or less pressure at Florida than any helmet job.
Losing sucks, and it'll get you fired. How you lose also matters. What good was back dooring into winning a weak SEC East just to make it to the SEC CG to get beat down by Alabama twice in SEC CG's? He also lost to his in-state rival FSU twice by like 20+ points each time I think. Then there was that bowl game against Michigan he lost 41-7. He just was not competitive in a lot of games. The pressure mounts up when you're getting pantsed by 20-30+ points continually. I think in one of those SEC CG's Alabama beat him by like 40+.
UF is a great job. You're 100% right- you can only be an elite program if you expect and embrace that pressure. Great coaches put more pressure on themselves than any fans ever could. I think Kelly would be a great fit at Florida. There are so many great athletes on defense in the state- Florida has basically always had good defenses. Even when they've had some bad teams, those defenses have been pretty solid. It's the offenses they need fixed. Nobody better on offense in the college game than Chip Kelly.
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Don't know about that.The right guy at UCLA - Chip Kelly maybe,has Cali to shop from
well this just got a lot more interesting with Mora out the door
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If it comes down to money, Florida will be able to outbid UCLA. But it's only coming to that because - why is it taking so long for Florida to make a target hire? Kelly should been signed on a week ago.
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Maybe Kelly isn't #1 on UF's list. Anyone who is currently coaching, you have to wait to even talk to.
On the other side of the coin, Kelly is in no hurry. Wait it out, see what jobs open up. Hell, he might be waiting to see if Taggert goes somewhere so he can go back to Eugene for all we know.
The one thing I do know, for sure, is that Tennessee fans are.....special people. And sort of creepy.
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I do feel confident that Florida will get who they want - I don't believe UCLA or Tennessee will steal anyone from the Gators. Frost may take the UNL job, because 'mama calls' but other than that - I like our situation.
The radio guys in Gville have been making another great point - 3 years ago, the coaching choices weren't great at all. This year, there's MUCH more to choose from, both in quality and quantity.
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Call me crazy, but I could see Florida convincing Spurrier out of retirement for a couple of years to stabilize the program.
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If he didn't have to recruit perhaps.He's in a good place so does he want the challenge over the head aches?Regarding Kelly he has a lot of contract money coming from Eagles/Niners.He might take a gig for less cash
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I think Kelly is gonna be at UCLA. That is why they fired Mora today.
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Prolly why he didn't jump on the Gator gig.That's what I posted a couple of weeks back
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How is it that as soon as I hit send I've already got liked.That's impossible,And you get like 8 of them.Maybe Mtwerp is right the fix is in
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I think most Florida fans prefer Kelly, but we have a group in mind, and if we get any of that group, we'll be good to go. Kelly, Mullen, Frost.
Better than obsessing about one guy who's never shown interest and hasn't coached in 10 years.....
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I think most Florida fans prefer Kelly, but we have a group in mind, and if we get any of that group, we'll be good to go. Kelly, Mullen, Frost.
Better than obsessing about one guy who's never shown interest and hasn't coached in 10 years.....
I think any of those 3 guys would be a really good hire for Florida. All run pretty similar style wide open offenses that feature QB runs.
Chip Kelly would definitely be the big media praise winning hire- but I think the best fit for Florida might actually be Mullen. Mullen has helped develop Josh Harris, Alex Smith, Tim Tebow, and Dak Prescott. He's coached the last 13 years in the SEC, recruited the southeast and the state of Florida extensively and he's taken over a doormat Mississippi State program that was basically a 3-9 or worse team every single year for the last 40 years and aside from that awful 1st year and last year when he had to replace Dak has had them hovering at 8-9 wins. That's not easy to do playing the SEC West. If it was in the SEC East- which is really poor like the B1G West- that'd be one thing- but he'd been doing it in the toughest division in CFB.
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Florida officially met with Kelly in New Hampshire. We'll see where that goes. My biggest, selfish plus with Kelly is that he could be hired tomorrow.
All this waiting for other coach's seasons to end sucks.
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Lots of chatter out there about Chip Kelly announcing Sunday.
To UCLA.
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He should go where he wants to go. UF still has 2 eggs in its basket if he goes to UCLA.
Now Frost may go to UNL and Mullen might stay put with a hefty raise....and that's when I'll think, "well shit...," but not until then.
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Well if that unfolds then I could go 2-0 on my coaches pick.Mullen to Gainesville who I think would be a great pick up
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well, bully for you!
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Hey you vacant husk watch it!I'm starting to slip in the Resident Genuis - have to hang my hat on something.Be an interesting scenario for sure in Westwood/Gainesville.Who ever the 'Skers land better hit the ground recruiting like a mofo
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I think Kiffin would kill it at Florida. He's different now. Look at FAU this year compared to last. Huge improvement.
3 years of being part of The Process really changed the guy.
Any way he could keep Shannon? Speaking of.. what about Shannon? Time for a second chance?
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safe to hang yer hat on the hall tree
genius ain't yer label
recruiting ain't been the problem in Lincoln - who ya got landing there? 3-0, 4-0?
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safe to hang yer hat on the hall tree
genius ain't yer label
recruiting ain't been the problem in Lincoln - who ya got landing there? 3-0, 4-0?
Frost will be in Lincoln. King Barry already set it up. UW needs a rival. :72:
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Shannon is a fine DC, but I don't see any reason to give him a HC gig. Strong was an even better DC, that'd be the dream. Shannon is allergic to blitzing, which can be frustrating. Blitzing is no way to live, but is an effective tool.
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safe to hang yer hat on the hall tree
genius ain't yer label
recruiting ain't been the problem in Lincoln - who ya got landing there? 3-0, 4-0?
well if you want to be a wise ass hopefully Lane Kiffin;)prolly Frost though.Oh recruiting is a small problem the draw isn't there from the Husker Prick Squad days.Dr Tom isn't holding court anymore.Have to venture a little outside of the footprint to snag schollies
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I think Kiffin would kill it at Florida. He's different now. Look at FAU this year compared to last. Huge improvement.
You have to be shyting me.Does Joey Freshwater have your party pictures also?He has been handed the Raiders/Vols/Trojan gigs for absolutely no reason outside of riding Pete Carroll's coattails.He couldn't take advantage of USC's built in advantages even with sanctions.Doubt he's gonna turn into anything but average at best.He's the Kardashian of College Coaches
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yup, jobs like FIU and UT are just much different
that's why Frost isn't a sure thing and neither is Kiffin
some MAC coaches turn into Legends, some don't
I think Frost is the best UNL can hope for at the moment. Hopefully, King Barry blessed the Huskers
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Frost is definitely trending up and would be snapped up by someone.Law of averages says the 'Skers land a keeper
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imHo, schools like UF and Nebraska are in a position to gamble- they could take a shot at a possible 'up and comer' and not lose too much foothold if they flop... UF is in a better position that Nebraska in this regard, but neither are in a 'do or die' situation. A Frost or a Norvell type coach would be who i'd believe they'd most likely target.
all the talk about Kelly is confusing to me... yeah, he did very well at Oregon, but he had little to no real competition out there during that stint. other than that, what has he done? If it's between UF and UCLA who get's him, I hope it's UF... i'd honestly add Kelly to the list of 'gamble' coaches.
Mullen is the only real sure shot coach- his ceiling is 'competitive' and not 'championship certainty', but with him competitiveness is a certainty... which places a team in the eight year cycle most top tier teams are in, but NOT in the four year cycle only a handful of teams enjoy..... certainly not the two year cycle only one team enjoys... but- he would make anyone with any decent resources competitive.
my personal opinion is there is going to be a LOT of poaching really really soon... teams like UF, UT, aTm, UCLA, ect, are going to poach coaches from lower tiered schools- who in turn are going to poach 'up and comers' from the tier below them, who will poach assistants and coordinators from both tiers above them- which will displace the power once again throughout the conferences--- some teams 'lucking out' with their 'discovery' and becoming powers, just to have them poached the following season when top tiers have coaches that don't pan out.
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by the way- UT is in a 'do or die' circumstance... the felling of a giant that has been a giant since the inception of the game only took a generation- 20 years since the last MNC, and a decade since the last appearance in a CCG, with only bowling a portion of the last decade (from having the longest string of bowl appearances in the nation JUST prior to that fall) will do that. three flopping coaches consecutively didn't help- especially because none of those three were even competitive... IF UT rises again in my lifetime (or whatever timeline that college football lasts) they MUST hire a knock-out coach right now.
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I could see Chip picking UCLA over Florida. Florida is a better job, no question about it. But the stress level and all that other BS that goes with the job is way lower at UCLA than at a place like Florida. In Gainseville he couldn't go anywhere in public without causing a scene, he'd basically be harassed with request after request to appear at this function, that radio interview, meet these donors- and he'd be under the microscope constantly. In LA, nobody would give a rats ass about him. He'd fly completely under the radar.
I just don't think UCLA is a good job though to be honest. He'd be a fool not to take that Florida job if he has the offer.
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by the way- UT is in a 'do or die' circumstance... the felling of a giant that has been a giant since the inception of the game only took a generation- 20 years since the last MNC, and a decade since the last appearance in a CCG, with only bowling a portion of the last decade (from having the longest string of bowl appearances in the nation JUST prior to that fall) will do that. three flopping coaches consecutively didn't help- especially because none of those three were even competitive... IF UT rises again in my lifetime (or whatever timeline that college football lasts) they MUST hire a knock-out coach right now.
Tennessee needs to hire a good coach. They don't need to win the PR battle. Just hire a good coach and the wins will come.
I think David Cutcliffe is a hell of a coach, and I think he'd really turn that program around quickly. They don't need to hire a splash name like Jon Gruden. They just need to hire a real life coach. Not Derek Dooley, not Lane Kiffen, not Butch Jones. They went after young guys with names when they hired Kiffen and Jones. Young guys who they thought could recruit. They just need a good coach. They don't need an up and comer or a big name. Cutcliffe would be a perfect fit.
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I just don't think UCLA is a good job though to be honest. He'd be a fool not to take that Florida job if he has the offer.
He has more money than he could ever hope for.Still getting paid by Philly/Niners he could be a lot happier in Westwood IMO.Who knows maybe he relishes the mayhem that would come with the Gators gig
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Was on CBS checking scores and they ran this:
Yahoo's Pat Forde reported Saturday that Florida (https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/teams/page/FLA/florida-gators) has "moved on" from Kelly. From the report (https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-chip-kelly-running-florida-job-194401666.html):
Florida administrators met with Kelly on Sunday in New Hampshire and remained in contact with him earlier this week, but no deal was forthcoming between the two. Florida had kept its options open while engaged with Kelly and is now prepared to pursue those other candidates.
Forde goes on to report that with Kelly out of the picture, Florida is now focusing on UCF (https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/teams/page/UCF/ucf-knights) coach Scott Frost, who has led the Knights to a 10-0 start this season, and has his team in position for a New Year's Six berth.
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Florida is meeting with Frost representatives this weekend. I wouldn't say they've moved on from Kelly. If Kelly calls them tomorrow and accepts the job, then he's the coach.
In all likelihood, Kelly was in no hurry to sign, said he'd look at other jobs, and think about it. Florida said we understand if you interview elsewhere and not take it as a 'no' to us, as we'll meet with other prospective coaches with the understanding we prefer you- type of thing.
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apparently Kelly is owed $18.5 million combined for 2017, 2018, 2019 seasons from the 49ers and Eagles. Eagles & 49ers owe him money for 2017, and just the 49ers owe him money for '18 and 19. If he doesn't take a coaching job they'll have to fork him over that money. If he gets a coaching job, whatever he gets paid from his new employer the 49ers/Eagles don't have to pay him- and if it's more than what they owe him- he doesn't get paid anything at all.
If he signs a fat deal with UF/UCLA for like $30 million over 4 or 5 years- Eagles/49ers are off the hook. Financially it probably makes more sense for him to wait it out. Collect his free $18.5 million and then take a job.
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i've said this before and was shot down, but not enough to change my mind:
these guys are financially comfortable and have none of the concerns most of us do... they aren't driven by $$$ as much as they are competitiveness and ego. possible hires like Frost or Norvall may in fact be awestruck by the cash, but founded guys like Kelly, Miles, Mullen, (and from there 'up')? I just don't think the money is the primary concern (except where it relates to ego).
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i've said this before and was shot down, but not enough to change my mind:
these guys are financially comfortable and have none of the concerns most of us do... they aren't driven by $$$ as much as they are competitiveness and ego. possible hires like Frost or Norvall may in fact be awestruck by the cash, but founded guys like Kelly, Miles, Mullen, (and from there 'up')? I just don't think the money is the primary concern (except where it relates to ego).
I agree with you for the most part.
It's just...not very many opportunities in life to get paid 18.5 million dollars to do absolutely nothing. If I have that opportunity I'm taking it. Lol.
Chip definitely has to have some money stashed away. Not sure it's enough to turn down $18.5 million for doing nothing. Not like he's worth $100 million. I'd be surprised if he's worth more than 20 million after all the agents/lawyers/taxes he's had to pay out.
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It's just...not very many opportunities in life to get paid 18.5 million dollars to do absolutely nothing. If I have that opportunity I'm taking it. Lol.
Well if you land 18.5 or in that neighborhood - you and I - friends for life,rooting interests be damned.Kind of guy I am :)
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Kelly's already been doing nothing, you know he's bored.
I love the "Florida talks to Frost" article listing Holgerson and Leach as potential coaches for UF......in what universe?!?
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USA Today just posted an article like 30 mins ago that said their sources say Kelly has flat out turned down Florida.
Who knows what to believe. If Kelly is truly out- gonna be an all out war between Nebraska and Florida for Scott Frost. Who does Frost pick in that situation?
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UF demands of Frost: points that = wins
UN demands of Frost: come home and do what you do.
point being, his leash will be hellaciously shorter at Florida i'd wager, where Nebraska is likely to offer time to do what he has done down south. He's bound to know that and that has to weigh heavy in his decision. at UF he's up against schools, yeah- but he's more importantly up against fans that are a lot more unforgiving. When he made his choice to coach, he likely dreamed of returning home... so long as there isn't a huge difference in $$$, i wager he heads home.
and leach is exactly the type of coach i could see on the UF sideline... he fits their culture.
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... and big bret is officially whacked now....
edited to add:
it's being said he was cut loose even before leaving the field... he received a call while still on the dang field... if true, that's about unprofessional as it gets and stupid- sending message to whomever would possibly coach there.
does Nutt return?
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Good year to be a decent CFB HC
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Good year to be a decent CFB HC
right lol. Lots of openings.
Arkansas, UCLA, Florida, Tennessee are all open. Texas A&M and Nebraska are virtual locks to be open really soon. That's 6 pretty good jobs. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see Ohio State DC Greg Schiano get one of those jobs.
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I'd go after Don Brown myself but thats just me
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speaking of Schiano- had he never left Rutgers- where is that program today? Instead of being a laughing stock and people being mad about the B1G adding them- my guess is they'd have been a top 25-30 program year in year out and one hell of an addition. Part of me would love to see him wind up back there and stay there for the rest of his coaching career- he's only 51.
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I'd go after Don Brown myself but thats just me
I think he's one of the top 3 DC's in all of college football. BUT....he is 63 years old and he hasn't been a head coach in about 10 years when he was the head coach of an FCS UMass team. I'd bet that Don Brown stays at Michigan until he retires. Seems to love it there, he'll be 64 next year. It'd have to be a cushy job. Don't see him leaving to try and rebuild a dumpster fire. Not sure he has the energy required to do that kind of heavy lifting and he doesn't seem like he's that big of a recruiter. DJ Durkin who was 38 when he left Michigan was the perfect sort of young up and comer to take on a reclamation project. Don is a little long in the tooth.
But hey anybody can have Tim Drevno in they want them. Anybody. Come and take him. Please.
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very interesting
Frost seems to like it at UCF and probably doesn't make an announcement for a week or more
owes it to the kids
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very interesting
Frost seems to like it at UCF and probably doesn't make an announcement for a week or more
owes it to the kids
From 0-12 the year before he got there to 11-0 in his 2nd year.
I am praying he goes back home to Nebraska. Would be an amazing story line to see him revive that program, and he'd be the 3rd B1G coach to coach the team he played QB for- joining Harbaugh at M and Chryst at Wisconsin.
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the entire state of Nebraska is praying along with you
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UF demands of Frost: points that = wins
UN demands of Frost: come home and do what you do.
point being, his leash will be hellaciously shorter at Florida i'd wager, where Nebraska is likely to offer time to do what he has done down south. He's bound to know that and that has to weigh heavy in his decision. at UF he's up against schools, yeah- but he's more importantly up against fans that are a lot more unforgiving. When he made his choice to coach, he likely dreamed of returning home... so long as there isn't a huge difference in $$$, i wager he heads home.
and leach is exactly the type of coach i could see on the UF sideline... he fits their culture.
UF is a great job and a horrible job
double edged and razor sharp
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UF is a great job and a horrible job
double edged and razor sharp
think you can say that about most great jobs. The expectations and pressure are going to be insane at any top job.
Florida had two truly great coaches in Spurrier and Meyer and were incredibly successful with both. Every other coach they've had in between and after has been pretty lousy. Ron Zook? Will Muschamp? Jim McElwain? Whole bunch of meh.
No job recruits or coaches itself. Texas, USC, Florida- have all stunk without the right guy at the helm.
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should Florida miss out on Kelly and Frost, where do they turn next? Dan Mullen? Greg Schiano? Les Miles? Mike Leach?
so Yahoo Sports and USA Today both reporting Kelly turned down Florida.
SEC blogging/news site Saturday Down South reporting Frost a "done deal" to Nebraska. The source is Lars Anderson, a senior writer at Bleacher Report, who worked at Sports Illustrated for 20 years, is a journalism professor at Alabama, and is a NYT best selling author. I don't think he's making it up- my guess is someone really close to the situation has told him something about Frost and Nebraska already having a deal in place.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/florida-football/report-primary-florida-target-scott-frost-already-done-deal-nebraska/ (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/florida-football/report-primary-florida-target-scott-frost-already-done-deal-nebraska/)
(https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/florida-football/report-primary-florida-target-scott-frost-already-done-deal-nebraska/)
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think you can say that about most great jobs. The expectations and pressure are going to be insane at any top job.
but UF might be at the top of the list
insane expectations, especially in the SEC SEC SEC
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A couple places are saying UT and Chris Petersen... that's not a bad choice. @jacdaniels (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1553) posted it on the UT board, and there have been several articles on the web today saying same.
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but UF might be at the top of the list
insane expectations, especially in the SEC SEC SEC
honestly- I think the expectations and pressure are probably worse at Ohio State. Look at Ohio State's yearly record from 1995 to 2017. Probably isn't a better P5 team in the entire country in terms of W-L's.
11-2, 11-1, 10-3, 11-1, 6-6, 8-4, 7-5, 14-0, 11-2, 8-4, 10-2, 12-1, 11-2, 10-3, 11-2, 12-1, 6-7, 12-0, 12-2, 14-1, 12-1, 11-2, 9-2.
Meyer has caught insane amount of shit from Ohio State fans because he's not undefeated every year. You don't think the pressure there is just as insane if not more than Florida?
Zook, Muschamp, and McElwain didn't get fired because of the insane expectations. They got fired because they were just bad coaches. Zook couldn't get over 8 wins. He was a mediocre coach every other stop he's been. Muschamp had a flukish season going 11-2 but his other 3 years were just bad. Similar to Brady Hoke who had a fluke 11-2 season and his other 3 years were bad. McElwain came in at the worst the SEC East has ever been and every year the thing was regressing- not progressing- and his offenses were downright terrible for a supposed offensive "expert". They really had to make a change. I give the UF AD credit for not sticking with a poor coach and realizing hey we need to do something about this.
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you are correct about Ohio St. and Bama
I was referring to the open jobs
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A couple places are saying UT and Chris Petersen... that's not a bad choice. @jacdaniels (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1553) posted it on the UT board, and there have been several articles on the web today saying same.
Not. A. Chance.
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I think he's one of the top 3 DC's in all of college football. BUT....he is 63 years old and he hasn't been a head coach in about 10 years when he was the head coach of an FCS UMass team. I'd bet that Don Brown stays at Michigan until he retires. Seems to love it there, he'll be 64 next year. It'd have to be a cushy job. Don't see him leaving to try and rebuild a dumpster fire. Not sure he has the energy required to do that kind of heavy lifting and he doesn't seem like he's that big of a recruiter. DJ Durkin who was 38 when he left Michigan was the perfect sort of young up and comer to take on a reclamation project. Don is a little long in the tooth.
But hey anybody can have Tim Drevno in they want them. Anybody. Come and take him. Please.
He likes what he does. He is not gonna take on a head job now. He had his shot long ago. Not happening.
Drevno.. LMAO. You're stuck with his ass. Hah!
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it turns out his buyout is only (only, right?) $1.5M... it's also been reported his agent approached UT, not UT approaching him... that adds a curve ball to it, no? (obviously, if true) ..
his style would fit nicely with UT.
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you are correct about Ohio St. and Bama
I was referring to the open jobs
I think the pressure/expectation thing is a little over-hyped. I think most really good/great coaches like Kelly are very ego driven and put more pressure on themselves than fans/media.
What Kelly probably doesn't like about Florida is the fish-bowl element to jobs like that and all the off-field stuff you have to do in jobs like that- the fundraising, the coaches shows and radio shows, and appearances and the mingling with donors & former players. And in Gainesville he's the biggest star in the city, he can't go into a grocery store, restaurant, pump gas- whatever without it being a problem. In LA? Nobody would even recognize him, know who he is or give two shits. At Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Florida- you have to deal with that crap to an insane degree that he just wouldn't have to deal with as much at a place like UCLA.
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turns out they did fire him via phone while still on the field... any potential coach ought to take note of that...
https://www.facebook.com/SECNetwork/posts/658423040995107
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Meyer's heart seems fine in Columbus....can't be that stressful.
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RE: Drevno
Two years ago, and maybe even last year, I read that he was the best OL coach in the country. I read that here (well, not here, but there). And he was a great recruiter too.
Now the guy is toast. Lord help Don Browne if his D slips, even a little.
Funny how things work at helmet schools with helmet expectations.
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Meyer's heart seems fine in Columbus....can't be that stressful.
Check back if he loses tomorrow or next weekend. The pressure at Florida is NOTHING compared to Columbus.
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Meyer's heart seems fine in Columbus....can't be that stressful.
Easier getting students rather than criminals thru the Campus doors
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A couple places are saying UT and Chris Petersen... that's not a bad choice. @jacdaniels (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1553) posted it on the UT board, and there have been several articles on the web today saying same.
Tennessee is a fine program,great fans,Volunteer Navy,Gnl Neyland,best whiskey and all that.But if I had to listen to "Rocky Top" 5 X a quarter I'm sticking an ice pick in my ears
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What Kelly probably doesn't like about Florida is the fish-bowl element to jobs like that and all the off-field stuff you have to do in jobs like that- the fundraising, the coaches shows and radio shows, and appearances and the mingling with donors & former players. And in Gainesville he's the biggest star in the city, he can't go into a grocery store, restaurant, pump gas- whatever without it being a problem. In LA? Nobody would even recognize him, know who he is or give two shits. At Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Florida- you have to deal with that crap to an insane degree that he just wouldn't have to deal with as much at a place like UCLA.
If I were Kelly I'd go to UCLA
If I were Frost I'd stay at UCF
If I were Gruden I'd stay in the booth
If I were Riley I'd retire
all good gigs
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Check back if he loses tomorrow or next weekend. The pressure at Florida is NOTHING compared to Columbus.
This is just an ignorant statement.
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Easier getting students rather than criminals thru the Campus doors
Hey, Hernandez was from Connecticut....
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Odd that if Frost to UNL is a done deal, why he'd agree to meet with FL (or have his ppl meet with FL).
What good is it to be the consensus "best job opening" if your top 2 picks don't choose you? Ugh.
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why I feel you never fire the sitting coach until you have the next coach signed sealed and delivered
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Isn't Columbus the biggest city in OH? Almost a million people? You can't get lost in a million people?
I get the SEC college towns - everyone knows where you live, so they know which grocery store you go to, and bother you when you're at restaurants, etc.....but I wouldn't predict that stuff in a city well over 150,000 people.....
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well, don't fire a guy like Pelini that is winning
but, a guy like Riley that gives you your worst season in over 55 years.......... he needs to go even if you can't sign a guy on your top 5 list
#11 or 12 can do better
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Hey, Hernandez was from Connecticut....
Fla/FL ST/Mia have boatloads of kids always getting in serious trouble.
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Chip Kelly to UCLA
smart move
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Chip Kelly to UCLA
smart move
great hire. Chip is a great coach.
My only thing though is this- with the kind of pro-style QB's in UCLA's back yard every year, makes me question the move a little bit. Just a tiny little bit. Still think it's a great hire and Chip will do good things there.
Josh Rosen was probably 98% off to the NFL anyway, but that hire just put it at 100%. That hire might open up Michigan to landing top rated prep pro style QB's out of Cali like they did in the 90s and 2000s. USC can't take them all and they probably aren't going to want to play in that style of offense at UCLA. Just one less home team to compete with improves their odds that much more.
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Chip mist have really missed coaching to give up $15 million to sit around, to take $23 million to work his ass off.
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I'm sure there are a few VERY good QBs in southern Cali that fit Chip's offense
he will get them and he will run a great offense
as for the Tom Brady type protos in LA........... I'm sure Chip would rather have them land in the Big Ten than across town or anywhere in the PAC
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This is just an ignorant statement.
Why?
Two weeks ago a good portion of the fan base wanted Urban to be fired or quit.
If OSU is not undefeated, they underachieved. That's what it is in Columbus.
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Yeah, kinda agree with Badge.
Florida has only ever been great under 2 coaches.
Ohio State has basically always been great since the 1950s.
Cooper was 11-1 damn near every year and they fired him because that 1 loss was to Michigan.
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I wouldn't say the pressure at Florida is NOTHING, but the pressure in Columbus is comparable if not similar
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RE: Drevno
Two years ago, and maybe even last year, I read that he was the best OL coach in the country. I read that here (well, not here, but there). And he was a great recruiter too.
Now the guy is toast. Lord help Don Browne if his D slips, even a little.
Funny how things work at helmet schools with helmet expectations.
He had a rep as a great OL coach. He'd been the OL coach at Stanford when they were a run oriented team and had lots of linemen drafted. He then was with the 49ers as OL coach when they were leading or close to leading the NFL in rushing damn near every year.
USC fans were upset he was leaving to go to Michigan because he had turned around their young OL. USC fans seemed to really like him.
Drevno had never been an OC or involved in game planning the offense. He coached OL and he did it pretty well.
I think the problem might lay with the mismash of voices/schemes going on in that offense. Rumors are part of the reason Jedd Fisch and Wheatley left- didn't get along with Drevno and both wanted more hand in the offense. Drevno is Harbaugh's guy. Been with him since U of San Diego days. He turned Harbaugh down at first to leave USC. My guess is Harbaugh had to offer him an OC title to get him. Fisch and Wheatley weren't his guys.
Issue could be that Drevno is in a little bit over his head as OC and OL coach. Harbaugh went out and brought in Greg Frey to be a co-OL coach. Both were known for running completely different blocking schemes and recruiting completely different style of linemen. Maybe that's why the OL has had some hiccups this year? Two different OL coaches on two different pages.
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Chip mist have really missed coaching to give up $15 million to sit around, to take $23 million to work his ass off.
Agreed I'd be slummin' it
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Isn't Columbus the biggest city in OH? Almost a million people? You can't get lost in a million people?
I get the SEC college towns - everyone knows where you live, so they know which grocery store you go to, and bother you when you're at restaurants, etc.....but I wouldn't predict that stuff in a city well over 150,000 people.....
In Columbus no.
BC is where you could live the good life. Get paid $2-3M/year, live in Boston (not my fav city but fun) and never get noticed.
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I would guess there's a few things to do in LA with 5 million a year plus benefits
and no one would know who you were - Chip doesn't have a hollywood face
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should Florida miss out on Kelly and Frost, where do they turn next? Dan Mullen? Greg Schiano? Les Miles? Mike Leach?
FWIW, while he was out of coaching--between Texas Tech and Wazu--Leach lived at least part-time in Key West.
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Key West is miles and universes away from Gainesville
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if he lived in KW, that speaks VOLUMES about his character, and none of it is good.
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if he lived in KW, that speaks VOLUMES about his character, and none of it is good.
What's wrong with Key West lol?
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how long can you stay before it's not just a visit?
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Key West is miles and universes away from Gainesville
Yeah, but Gainesville is much closer to Key West than Pullman is.
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if he lived in KW, that speaks VOLUMES about his character, and none of it is good.
Livin' on sponge cake, baby!
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Key West is awesome. It's closer to Havana than it is to Miami. Look it up.
Mike Leach has always had a horrific defense wherever he's been before this year. I don't know how WSU has a good defense this year, but it's a major outlier for a Leach-coached squad. If you don't play defense in the SEC, you're Missouri and you stink.
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Yeah, but Gainesville is much closer to Key West than Pullman is.
I will agree with that, but don't think he takes the bus like John Madden
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I wouldn't say the pressure at Florida is NOTHING, but the pressure in Columbus is comparable if not similar
Part of why Spurrier left UF was because 9-2 was a failed season in the fan's eyes. In 2001, Florida went 10-2, Orange Bowl champs, and no one was happy about it. So he went to the NFL.
Florida is the "best job available" is about to lose out on it's top 2 choices because.......why? To be honest, I don't think Mullen is going to accept, either. It's not money, it's not location, it's not helmet, it's not facilities, it's not talent......all signs point to the pressure.
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i have a good friend who owned a seatow franchise in KW, but now (after a settlement) has decided to act instead.. he is in a series of some sort as a reoccurring extra of some sort.
he was a navy squeal, and a coxswain prior to that, and continued to pursue his commercial license all through his navy career- has a license for up to 600tons i think it is... anyway, we piled up in a rented house on duval about five years ago while he was still running the seatow business...
we partied every night- into the daylight every every night for a week.. he was saying another group of guys he knew had just left the same day we showed up- which means he went for 14 straight crowing at the sun... as we were leaving, another group he (we) knew, and stayed for a week...
this isn't unusual.
the crowd down there 'swings' a different way- as in orientation... the whole enterprise is debauchery... Vegas or Dubai have nothing on KW.
when someone tells me they are from or have lived in KW, i usually ask "what level are you on?"....
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here's hoping Frost thinks there's too much pressure in Gainesville
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put leach in some jorts, topped with a mid drift sleeveless blue shirt with some vulgar phrase supporting UF, and he'd fit right in Gainsville. He probably already has that in his closet...
Mullen is more likely to go north to Knoxville than east to the swamp... or- he may head west to college station. who knows, maybe those fellas in Starkville have deeper pockets than can be imagined, and they retain him?
Frost, if he leaves, is heading to Nebraska. it is incredibly unrealistic for UF fans to believe that he'd look past that. i'd go as far as to openly wager Riley would still be there if they didn't truly believe they have him locked down... meaning: Some are saying it's already a done deal- and if anyone ought to have learned how NOT to fire a coach, it's Nebraska (who lost their belt for that matter- or maybe it's a hat- to Tennessee).
according the the lance corporal mafia, the AD @ UTk has an announcement to make as early as tomorrow and no later than Tuesday. I have no clue who that would be. they haven't (officially) talked with Mullen. They HAVE, however, talked to three other candidates... and any of those three would be good for the program.
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Part of why Spurrier left UF was because 9-2 was a failed season in the fan's eyes. In 2001, Florida went 10-2, Orange Bowl champs, and no one was happy about it. So he went to the NFL.
Florida is the "best job available" is about to lose out on it's top 2 choices because.......why? To be honest, I don't think Mullen is going to accept, either. It's not money, it's not location, it's not helmet, it's not facilities, it's not talent......all signs point to the pressure.
yeah, I don't know about all that. Spurrier was offered what was at the time the most lucrative coaching contract in NFL history- Daniel Snyder- never one to shy away from spending big money- made Spurrier the highest paid coach in the history of the NFL- at the time. Let's get real- that's why he left. Snyder gave him a 5 year $25 million deal- which was virtually unheard of at the time. That contract is what really set off the explosion of coaches salaries in the NFL. Spurrier had been at Florida for 12-13 years accomplished a hell of a lot. Built that program into a national power and took it to heights it's never seen. Probably felt like it was an OK time for him to jump to the NFL and it was gonna be now or never. I'm sure he had buyers remorse after that first year when he found out the NFL is an entirely different animal and Snyder went over his head and drafted Patrick Ramsey at QB with the Redskins 1st round pick that year.
Frost didn't take the Nebraska job yet, UF still might land him. If they don't- well he's from the state and won a championship as the starting QB for Tom friggin' Osbourne. Mama callin'. Hard to beat Mama. UF shouldn't feel bad about losing him to Nebraska if they do.
Chip Kelly is a kinda a weird dude- doesn't like people but he's a great coach. My guess- had nothing to do with the pressure and everything to do with not wanting to deal with feeling like he's in a fish bowl and having to interact with people or wanting to live in Gainseville, Florida. Doesn't seem like he's the po dunk awe shucks type. LA is probably more his speed.
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i don't think it was $$$ that took Spurrier to the retirement league.. i think the $$$ just enhanced his real goal- and that is all surrounding EGO...
truly competitive folks are born, and not a product of environment. the environment may make it worse, but competitively motivated people only need some way to keep score- be it record or salary, as the true goal. in all the world, there is no other field outside of coaching and maybe the ranks of special operations forces/operators where competitiveness is more prevalent and comprised of genuinely 'good' guys at the same time.
Florida just fired their coach mid way through the season. they looked for means other than performance to justify it and in a very public way to avoid contract obligations.... that little maneuver just cost them a few more million dollars to the next coach- or they'll take a job elsewhere. five consecutive 8~9 win seasons ain't getting Frost fired at Nebraska, but it would in Gainsville. Couple that to the practices of both AD's, and the solution to whatever concern he has is answered....... unless UF opens the vaults, there ain't no way in hell.