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Topic: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf

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medinabuckeye1

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WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« on: June 30, 2020, 06:00:45 PM »
I'm going to vote yes but I'm not all that locked into it.  In the six years of the CFP the at-large teams would have been (assumes auto-bids for the P5 Champs and the highest ranked G5 Champ):

  • 2014:  B12, SEC
  • 2015:  B1G, B1G
  • 2016:  B1G, B1G
  • 2017:  SEC, B1G
  • 2018:  SEC, ND
  • 2019:  SEC, B12

I think that is interesting because I think most people will assume that a 2-team limit would prevent the SEC from getting three teams in but as it has played out over the past six years the SEC never would have had three anyway.  The B1G would have had three twice (2015, 2016).  In those years:

2015:
  • 12-1 B1GCG loser Iowa was #5.  
  • 11-1 B1G-E co-Champ tOSU was #7.  
  • If Ohio State had been excluded by a 2-team per conference limit the spot would have gone to #8 Notre Dame.  

2016:
  • 11-1 B1G-E co-Champ tOSU was #3.  
  • 10-2 B1G-E non-Champ M was #6.  
  • If Michigan had been excluded by a 2-team per conference limit that limit would also have excluded #8 Wisconsin and the spot would have gone to #9 USC.  

So in the six years of the CFP if it had been an 8-team playoff with a 2-team per conference limit that limit would have excluded tOSU and Michigan/Wisconsin once each to the benefit of Notre Dame and USC respectively.  

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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2020, 06:09:21 PM »
Yes.  The purpose is entertainment so wider representation is better.  

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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2020, 06:50:02 PM »
the purpose is more butts in seats and more TV sets turned on

all to be entertained

so yes, the powers that be (TV networks) would want the PAC and the Big 12 and sometimes Notre Dame represented
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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2020, 07:26:43 PM »
No limits. The at large should be the strongest remaining teams. 

That's the point of auto-bids for P5 champs... So that no conference has a claim they've been left out. The bargain is that there are only two at-large teams, and they should be the best remaining teams, conference notwithstanding.
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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2020, 07:43:37 PM »
Hard to take these question seriously when we did not eliminate rematches and too many teams from one conference- with a four team format 

Why would we do it with 8?
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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2020, 07:49:31 PM »
No.

If 3 teams from the same conference are rated in the top 8, you take them. 4 would be very unlikely. 
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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2020, 07:54:04 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 30, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
No.

If 3 teams from the same conference are rated in the top 8, you take them. 4 would be very unlikely.
In this system, 4 would be impossible. 
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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2020, 08:07:28 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 30, 2020, 07:54:04 PM
In this system, 4 would be impossible.
I hadn't thought about it. Lay it out for me. I think I'm missing something.
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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2020, 08:09:00 PM »
ya gotta read the other thread

took me a minute
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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2020, 08:15:34 PM »
I can only handle 1 Medina thread at a time after a couple of pops. :67:
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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2020, 09:22:18 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 30, 2020, 08:07:28 PM
I hadn't thought about it. Lay it out for me. I think I'm missing something.
5 P5 Champs
1 Top G5
2 At-large

You would need 3 at-large to have 4 teams from one conference. 
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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2020, 09:23:41 PM »
Got it. Sacrificial G5.
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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2020, 02:01:20 AM »
I would ditch the G5 and end the lie that they're in the party.  There should be a separation, like FBS/FCS.  Pretending otherwise doesn't help anyone.

THEN you could get 4 from the same conference in.  
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Re: WHEN we go to an 8-team CFP would you limit it to 2 teams per conf
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2020, 02:13:53 AM »
I think we all know the outlier seasons to test the limits of these proposals are 2008 (Big XII 3-way tie) and 2012 (3 SEC teams in top 4 before championship week).
5 Conf champs + 2 At-Large + 1 G5 
2008:
Big XII Champ:  #1 Oklahoma 
SEC Champ:  #2 Florida
Pac-10 Champ:  #5 USC
G5 Rep:  #6 Utah
B10 Champ:  #8 Penn St
ACC Champ:  #19 VA Tech
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Now first of all, screw this.  A 19th-ranked team in any 8-team playoff is crap.
Secondly, even if you shrug and say they won the ACC, they earned their way in, look at this:
#3 Texas went 11-1
#4 Alabama went 11-1
#7 Texas Tech went 11-1
#9 Boise State went 12-0, and if you're a proponent for G5 teams getting in, the Broncos have the bad luck here of G5 Utah being ranked higher.  
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Anyway, so we let in Texas and Alabama, right?  Despite Texas Tech beating Texas and having the same record?  Say what you want, but in this case, we're right back to square one of helmet-osity and rewarding early losses over later losses (UT lost earlier than TTU did).  
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