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Topic: When is college football's "golden age?"

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SFBadger96

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2025, 03:37:07 PM »
You do?

I remember going to that game after the 1996 season.


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That shows you how much I cared about it. Maybe it was the Independence Bowl? They played Duke and won. (Used Google, it was the Hall of Fame.) 
That's my point, though--they were both mediocre teams following mediocre seasons playing in mediocre bowl games.

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2025, 03:51:36 PM »
Also, with only 8 conferences, unless they were pretty big, what would happen to the other teams? Relegation and promotion, like in international football. 
Boise State thinks it should get to play with the Big Boys? Cool. Win your regional second tier conference and get bumped into a first tier conference (while some other teams gets kicked out). Maybe that's not great for Purdue (sorry BRAD), but actually, maybe it's just what those lower tier programs need--a little fire to keep from getting relegated. And seriously, in this hypothetical world if San Jose State were to take Stanford's place because Stanford refuses to invest in its football program, then good. That makes rational sense.

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2025, 04:28:36 PM »
This is a more nuanced questions. 

Did anyone really enjoy the week-to-week following of the BCS? Like tracking who was undefeated, who had the best loss? (Did everyone?)

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2025, 04:44:16 PM »
But the bowl games were special, and now they aren't. Now, that started happening when they started breeding like rabbits, I think in the early 90s. I liked 3-4 teams from a major conference playing other top teams from major conferences, but I never really cared about the Pinstripe Bowl, or the Music City Bowl, or etc., etc., etc. Sure, I would (sometimes) watch if the Badgers were in them, but they didn't really matter to me.
I know a lot of people (such as OAM) make a big deal out of this... That somehow the sport, or at least the "premier" bowls, are made worse by the mere existence of lesser bowls. 

IMHO bowl proliferation does have some problems (such as the lesser bowls essentially forcing the schools into buying expensive ticket allotments they can't sell enough of to recoup it). And yes, they ARE meaningless to anyone except the fans of the schools invited and to degenerate gamblers. 

But I think they were still fun for the fans, and for the players, and IMHO their existence didn't harm the other bowls. Purdue had a middling year in 2018, but they got to go to the chicken bowl in Santa Clara. Given that I'm "local-ish", my wife and I flew up for it, got GREAT seats in the 6th row, and had a blast. It was Dec 27 or 28 or something, so it's not like it was conflicting with the major bowls. And for anyone who had nothing better to do and turned on ESPN that night, it was a back and forth game against Arizona and a wild exciting finish. 

IMHO--and I've said this extensively--it's a 12-team CFP sucking all the air out of the room that has made the bowls meaningless... Not bowl proliferation. 

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #60 on: January 23, 2025, 04:52:25 PM »
This is a more nuanced questions.

Did anyone really enjoy the week-to-week following of the BCS? Like tracking who was undefeated, who had the best loss? (Did everyone?)
I didn't really care either way. It was mildly interesting, but I wouldn't have missed it. 

About the best thing I can say about it is that because the end result was only two teams, it was really only a legitimate conversation about 4-6 teams by the time we hit late October. I think, because of that, it probably wasn't THAT much different than obsessing/arguing over rankings of the top teams that would have been the case if we weren't trying to force a 1 vs 2 matchup. So it wasn't a "sucking all the air out of the room" discussion. 

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #61 on: January 23, 2025, 05:09:59 PM »
I literally never followed the week-to-week BCS standings. I was certainly aware that they existed and that people argued over them, but I found the whole exercise of arguing over them on ESPN silly.

As for the bowl proliferation thing, I'm of two minds: 1) I don't really care about the trivial bowls. If people want to go to them or watch them on TV, I suppose they don't hurt anyone; but (2) setting up a structure of the more serious bowls that is fairly defined would make those games more interesting, whereas the trivial bowls has the potential to water it down. But probably not much. The Citrus Bowl was a better bowl because SEC 2-4 vs. B1G 2-4 is a really solid match-up, regardless of who is playing in the whatchamacallit bowl in someplace on December 26.

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #62 on: January 23, 2025, 05:11:36 PM »
August 15, 2035.

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #63 on: January 23, 2025, 07:11:25 PM »
Having fewer bowls provides a meaningful checkpoint for having a strong season.  You're part of the in-crowd and had a season of note.

If I'm some random, middling program like Illinois, most years I'm not going to make a bowl if there's only 10-12 of them.  I'll occasionally make a bowl when I go 9-3 or better, and my fanbase loves it!  They get a trip, get to brag, and if I can string a few together, my program prestige increases.  That squad becomes famous in program lore.  Those players are more memorable.

On the other hand, with eleventy million bowls, I still get a trip, but it's for a ho-hum 6-6 season.  My fanbase isn't stoked, because over half of everyone makes a bowl.  It's a reward for a ho-hum season.  It's not as earned.  It's not as special.

I agree that tons of bowls is harmless in a vacuum.  But we're not in a vacuum. 
And in a sport, which is supposed to be about competition, rewarding mediocrity is never the right answer. 
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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #64 on: January 23, 2025, 07:19:42 PM »
A modern-day SWC would be weird.
It's the anti-Ohio.  Instead of one big boy program and a bunch of G5s, it would be 8 big boy programs (technically).

Houston had a little run at the end of the 80s, but were great in the mid-70s as well, with Yeoman starting strong in the SWC. 
Having Houston AND Rice in a P4 conference would be so strange.  Rice, as far as I know, has never been good for any extended amount of time.  All I know of them is RB Trevor Cobb was a badass in the early 90s and they had 2? WRs wind up in the all-time most catches/yards progression, circa late 90s/2000s. 

If it was restarted today, I think the programs would largely fit into somewhat consistent roles/levels:
Texas and A&M
Arkansas, TCU, SMU
Houston, Baylor, Texas Tech
Rice

I never see Rice moving up, because Houston is right there.  Plus I assume Rice has academic constraints Houston doesn't have. 
But on a long timeline, you'd have these tiers and a team from the middle 2 rungs would jump up and win the conference every so often.
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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #65 on: January 23, 2025, 08:17:36 PM »
Why was Arkansas allowed in an all-Texas conference in the first place? 

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #66 on: January 23, 2025, 08:26:31 PM »
It wasn't always all-Texas.  Oklahoma and Oklahoma A&M were once members in the long long ago.

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #67 on: January 23, 2025, 11:24:38 PM »
1915 Conferences:
SWC:  OU, Baylor, A&M, Texas, Arkansas, Rice, Southwestern (TX), Oklahoma St
Western:  Minn, ILL, Chicago, OSU, Purdue, Wiscy, Iowa, IU, N'Western
Rocky Mtn:  Colorado St, Utah, CO Mines, CO College, Denver, Wyoming, CU, Utah St
Mizz Valley:  Nebraska, KU, ISU, Washington (MO), Mizzou, Drake, KSU
Independents (everyone else) - Top ones:  Cornell, Pitt, GT, Vandy, Harvard, UVA, ND, Wash & Jeff, Colgate

I wonder why western schools were the first to conference up. 
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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2025, 07:25:05 AM »
Bowls started losing interest to me when the name of the bowl became irrelevant, and the corporate sponsorship names became dominant.  You got to know a few, and then they’d change the sponsor, and now you have another bowl name.

It keeps you from having any strong memories of the bowls, and no way to rank the bowl, and it’s significance from memory. 

Hmm, Reliaquest Bowl, wasn’t that the former Gator Bowl?  And is it more prestigious than the Duke’s Mayo Bowl …… wait, did it used to be the Belk Bowl……

^^^^ A little of that and you no longer GAF, and stop watching.

College mostly maintains this part, but — I miss the mystique of a lot of the stadiums as well, which are now all corporate instead of Riverfront, Three Rivers, Candlestick Park, Mile High Stadium…..and so on. 

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #69 on: January 24, 2025, 08:11:31 AM »
A modern-day SWC would be weird.
It's the anti-Ohio.  Instead of one big boy program and a bunch of G5s, it would be 8 big boy programs (technically).


If it was restarted today, I think the programs would largely fit into somewhat consistent roles/levels:
Texas and A&M
Arkansas, TCU, SMU
Houston, Baylor, Texas Tech
Rice

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Well Cincinnati has been in a Conference with Houston most years since the 90s, and have accumulated a 14-4 record against them over that timespan. So at the very least, we know that the Bearcats have a stronger program than Houston and, by extension, Rice. 

Additionally Toledo has more P5 wins than all the non-Longhorn teams combined, including one over the Hawgs. So they're no slouch. 

 

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