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Topic: When is college football's "golden age?"

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2025, 12:14:29 PM »
I know. But the question was about the league being strong. And I was thinking about a strong football league.
I didn't interpret it as football strength, I suppose because the ultimate failure of the SWC wasn't related to football strength, it was financial.

As far as being a strong football league, there were some good teams in the 80s and early 90s, it just wasn't Texas.  Texas A&M was strong at the time, and Arkansas was usually fairly good, before they left for the SEC.  Even Andre Ware won the Heisman at Houston when they had some strong teams in the late 80s.

I'll also add that I can understand why this message board has a strong B1G bias, but back then, outside of the midwest, the Big Ten was largely considered to be Michigan, Ohio State, and the 8 dwarves.  Personal perceptions of relative football strength can be misleading.

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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2025, 12:25:57 PM »
I didn't interpret it as football strength, I suppose because the ultimate failure of the SWC wasn't related to football strength, it was financial.

As far as being a strong football league, there were some good teams in the 80s and early 90s, it just wasn't Texas.  Texas A&M was strong at the time, and Arkansas was usually fairly good, before they left for the SEC.  Even Andre Ware won the Heisman at Houston when they had some strong teams in the late 80s.

I'll also add that I can understand why this message board has a strong B1G bias, but back then, outside of the midwest, the Big Ten was largely considered to be Michigan, Ohio State, and the 8 dwarves.  Personal perceptions of relative football strength can be misleading.
Yeah, but I meant if we are locking it in now, not strength at the time.  Granted, the last couple years have re-boosted the profiles of TCU, SMU and Houston after falling into mid-major status, and Baylor, after years as the bottom of the Big XII

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2025, 12:28:28 PM »
I didn't interpret it as football strength, I suppose because the ultimate failure of the SWC wasn't related to football strength, it was financial.

As far as being a strong football league, there were some good teams in the 80s and early 90s, it just wasn't Texas.  Texas A&M was strong at the time, and Arkansas was usually fairly good, before they left for the SEC.  Even Andre Ware won the Heisman at Houston when they had some strong teams in the late 80s.

I'll also add that I can understand why this message board has a strong B1G bias, but back then, outside of the midwest, the Big Ten was largely considered to be Michigan, Ohio State, and the 8 dwarves.  Personal perceptions of relative football strength can be misleading.

That changed in the 1980's.

Iowa (twice), Illinois and MSU went to the Rose Bowl in that decade.

The 1990's brought Wisconsin (twice), Iowa, Penn State and Northwestern.
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« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2025, 12:52:28 PM »
That changed in the 1980's.

Iowa (twice), Illinois and MSU went to the Rose Bowl in that decade.

The 1990's brought Wisconsin (twice), Iowa, Penn State and Northwestern.
Put some respect on the 1994 5-6 Rice Owls.  SWC 5 way co-champs

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« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2025, 12:55:22 PM »
That changed in the 1980's.

Iowa (twice), Illinois and MSU went to the Rose Bowl in that decade.

The 1990's brought Wisconsin (twice), Iowa, Penn State and Northwestern.
That may be true, but the perception didn't change.  Like I said, Texas A&M, Houston, and Arkansas all had good years in the 80s/early 90s, and yet comments on this very thread make reference to it being a G5 league.

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« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2025, 12:59:31 PM »
Yeah, but I meant if we are locking it in now, not strength at the time.  Granted, the last couple years have re-boosted the profiles of TCU, SMU and Houston after falling into mid-major status, and Baylor, after years as the bottom of the Big XII
Oh we're talking about reverting to old leagues but doing it today?

That's an interesting question.  As you point out, TCU, SMU, and Baylor have all had recent success.  Texas is of course pretty good right now.  Texas A&M is middlin' but outside of about ten years in the late 80s/early 90s, they were middlin' back then too.  Arkansas isn't anywhere near as good now, as they were back then.

It could be interesting though.  It wouldn't be any weaker than a reverted PAC-10, it would be much better than a reverted ACC.  And without Texas, the reverted SEC  is just Georgia and some chumps right now.

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« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2025, 01:00:56 PM »
Oh we're talking about reverting to old leagues but doing it today?

That's an interesting question.  As you point out, TCU, SMU, and Baylor have all had recent success.  Texas is of course pretty good right now.  Texas A&M is middlin' but outside of about ten years in the late 80s/early 90s, they were middlin' back then too.  Arkansas isn't anywhere near as good now, as they were back then.

It could be interesting though.  It wouldn't be any weaker than a reverted PAC-10, it would be much better than a reverted ACC.  And without Texas, the reverted SEC  is just Georgia and some chumps right now.
I laid out that I took the question as one of two ways.  If you could go back to one era, or if you could lock one era in now.  I think everyone would want to go back to the era they first fell in love with.  So I went with the second, and said I would lock in the BCS era system, motivations, and understanding of the game.

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« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2025, 01:06:23 PM »
That may be true, but the perception didn't change.  Like I said, Texas A&M, Houston, and Arkansas all had good years in the 80s/early 90s, and yet comments on this very thread make reference to it being a G5 league.
Agree on Arky being solid. They went to a P5 as a result. Agree on aTm too, not to mention the value they bring.

The rest?
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« Reply #50 on: January 23, 2025, 01:13:16 PM »
I didn't interpret it as football strength, I suppose because the ultimate failure of the SWC wasn't related to football strength, it was financial.

As far as being a strong football league, there were some good teams in the 80s and early 90s, it just wasn't Texas.  Texas A&M was strong at the time, and Arkansas was usually fairly good, before they left for the SEC.  Even Andre Ware won the Heisman at Houston when they had some strong teams in the late 80s.

I'll also add that I can understand why this message board has a strong B1G bias, but back then, outside of the midwest, the Big Ten was largely considered to be Michigan, Ohio State, and the 8 dwarves.  Personal perceptions of relative football strength can be misleading.

I just read it that way, right or wrong.

Just looking at standings, it seemed like once Houston dipped and Arkansas left, the SWC dwarves were extra Dwarve-y

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« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2025, 01:19:30 PM »
Agree on Arky being solid. They went to a P5 as a result. Agree on aTm too, not to mention the value they bring.

The rest?
Right now?  SMU just made the playoff and can afford to recruit alongside almost any school in the country.  TCU was in the title game 3 years ago.  And Texas of course has made the semifinals the past 2 years in a row now, only FBS team to do so. 

Ags and Ark would be mid but always have potential.  Tech is pretty bad these days, Baylor has dropped off considerably, and Rice is, well, Rice.

But top to bottom it wouldn't be any worse than a reverted ACC or PAC.  Probably better than both to be honest.  And man, what would a reverted Big 8 look like right now?  Yikes.

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« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2025, 01:21:48 PM »
I just read it that way, right or wrong.

Just looking at standings, it seemed like once Houston dipped and Arkansas left, the SWC dwarves were extra Dwarve-y
Regional bias and perception I suppose.  I don't view them as any more dwarve-y than the Big Ten dwarves.  Bringing up Iowa and Illinois and Wisconsin trips  to the Rose Bowl actually makes the counter point, it just means that Ohio State and Michigan weren't good enough to get it done.  No difference than the way y'all look at the SWC with teams other than Texas winning and going to the Cotton Bowl.

Perception based on bias is an interesting thing.

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2025, 01:53:14 PM »
I laid out that I took the question as one of two ways.  If you could go back to one era, or if you could lock one era in now.  I think everyone would want to go back to the era they first fell in love with.  So I went with the second, and said I would lock in the BCS era system, motivations, and understanding of the game.
rise of the ind's for me which is the era that introduced me to the sport.

leagues with true rr scheduling for the most part & all my old rivals.

we stayed intact when merging with the tx schools so i loved the big xii era too but not as much.

i'm in the vast minority but i liked the charm of a mnc. byu in 1984 was ridiculous but it's fun to riot about such things & the regular season, which was always the pinnacle of the sport was magical since every game was of paramount importance.

now you can get away with losing to a 5 loss michigan team but we get more games. 

i also loved the charm of the bowls & they have been diminished. first by saturation & then since that wasn't enough by dudes skipping games & the playoff marginalization.
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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2025, 03:26:25 PM »
I think my answer to the top-level poll was the 1980s. That's convenient, because I was watching some college football then (although I feel in love with college football in the 90s), but to be honest, the main reason I think that is that it's old enough that it's the traditional conferences, it had a little more variety than the 1970s, which was a decade of traditional powers, and I can't stomach choosing an era before integration.
But my feeling about the current landscape is encapsulated by the Game of Thrones-style intro to the B1G games. Everytime I watch it, I see the schools in the midwest rising and I think: wow, that would make a good conference. Nebraska fits into it, but I wouldn't mind a world in which the traditional Big 8, or something close to it, were rejuvinated. And while I've always like Penn State in the B1G, it too, could easily belong to a Big East. College football was, for the longest time, quite regional. That's why it mattered how Wisconsin did against Iowa and Minnesota. That's why Cal/Stanford matters. And it's one of the things that made Notre Dame unique (thanks, Michigan). 
For deciding the national championship, a 12-game playoff probably makes sense. You take the major conference champions, then you have to decide if minor conference champions deserve a shot, and if so, what about the major conference teams that had near misses, but have a good argument for being there. I think you could make it work with 8, but 12 isn't illogical. (The current seeding is.)
But the bowl games were special, and now they aren't. Now, that started happening when they started breeding like rabbits, I think in the early 90s. I liked 3-4 teams from a major conference playing other top teams from major conferences, but I never really cared about the Pinstripe Bowl, or the Music City Bowl, or etc., etc., etc. Sure, I would (sometimes) watch if the Badgers were in them, but they didn't really matter to me. The Citrus Bowl, the Hall of Fame (Outback) Bowl, they were still big games, even if the Badgers didn't make the Rose Bowl, because they involved top competition from other leagues, and it means something to make those games. The others? I remember when the Badgers played in the Copper Bowl after the 1994 season. Meh.
While it wasn't good for deciding a national champion, my grandparents (Cal, 1941) cared that the Bears last went to the Rose Bowl in 1959. My parents when to the 1972 Rose Bowl. It mattered to us in 1993 that Wisconsin hadn't been there in 31 years. The SEC loved the Sugar Bowl, I presume for similar reasons. The Orange and Cotton Bowls had great histories, and the Fiesta and Peach weren't far behind. That's all gone now. Yes, the names and locations are still there, but they aren't the same. And asking fans to travel to them is really just asking whether they want a trip for a playoff game. Nice, sure--NFL fans make those trips--but not the same thing.
And I'm not against the change--a real national champion is a cool thing. I just miss the charm of the old system.
Walking past Camp Randall it used to say (it probably still does) "the road to the Rose Bowl starts here." (Or at least something awfully close to that.) That meant something. Does it still?
If I were king for a day, I would instruct my minions to design 8 regional college football conferences that made sense, and try to adhere them to the conferences of the 1970s or 1980s (do I care whether Arizona and Arizona State are in the Pac-8/10? Not really), mostly because from a regional perspective, those conferences did make sense (travel was harder back then, so that's where the conferences came from). I think I would have an 8-team playoff that invited the conference champions. I guess I would force Notre Dame into one of those conferences, which is too bad because ND's independence is part of its story. But maybe undoing the anti-Catholicism of the 1920s Big Ten is appropriate in the modern age. Kind of feels like it. And ND could still keep its rivalry with USC, and its annual game with Navy. That would also probably bring back the Michigan-Notre Dame rivalry, probably with a little extra ire between those fan bases, which is a good thing for sports. For the teams that didn't make the national championship, I would restructure the bowls to reconstruct conference challenge games (bowls) for teams 2-4 in each conference (so 12 additional bowl games). Probably on a rotating basis, but maybe not. And all teams would get the same amount of practice time, regardless of whether they made the bowl games. Because conference championships and standings would be the thing that would determine entry into the playoff or the bowls, there would be more reason to schedule good OOC preseason games. They would generate more ticket sales and more TV revenue, and they wouldn't hurt the losing team. At least that's my theory.
That's how I would create the new golden age of college football (that and a collective bargaining agreement). Now all I need is a primary colored hat (red seems to be taken) that says Make College Football Great Again. (Irony intended)

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Re: When is college football's "golden age?"
« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2025, 03:31:24 PM »
I remember when the Badgers played in the Copper Bowl after the 1994 season.
You do?

I remember going to that game after the 1996 season.


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