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Topic: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas

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SFBadger96

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #266 on: December 02, 2025, 05:59:22 PM »
I agree with BRAD about how the CFP has changed things. It has diminished the importance of conference championships, which used to be a critical measuring stick, and even the major bowls. It wasn't a secret that would happen, it was plain for everyone to see. So we went from the question, every few years, about whether someone was left out of a national title that they deserved--or at least deserved a chance to play for, to arguing about which 2- and 3-loss teams are good enough on their best days to give them a shot at winning the college football tournament. That's bad for the programs for which a run at a national title is a pipe dream--or even just a long shot, although IU is showing us that there really shouldn't be that barrier for any team...as long as they can afford it.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #267 on: December 02, 2025, 06:30:08 PM »
That's bad for the programs for which a run at a national title is a pipe dream--or even just a long shot, although IU is showing us that there really shouldn't be that barrier for any team...as long as they can afford it.
IU isn't just a matter of money, it seems to be a matter of catching legitimate lightning in a bottle from a coaching hire perspective. They're definitely overperforming their talent level. IU still doesn't IMHO have an actual NC-worthy roster.

That said, as has been pointed out, their SoS is laughably terrible. Per the point of this thread, their OOC was the Little Sisters Of The Poor. And their conference schedule wasn't hard either. They deserve credit for that Oregon win on the road, but it's not like they've been tested overall. 

IU is going to get their asses handed to them Saturday and then again in the CFP. 

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #268 on: December 02, 2025, 07:20:23 PM »
Well, now you're just sounding like a Purdue fan. IU's schedule hasn't been a murderer's row, but it's also not like they've skated by against inferior teams. They are destroying bad teams, as a good team should do. A useful measuring stick is UVA. Much different kind of "not that impressive." 

I'm genuinely curious to see how things go this weekend. I think Ohio State is the better team, but I'm not 100% sure of it.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #269 on: December 02, 2025, 07:30:01 PM »
Well, now you're just sounding like a Purdue fan. IU's schedule hasn't been a murderer's row, but it's also not like they've skated by against inferior teams. They are destroying bad teams, as a good team should do. A useful measuring stick is UVA. Much different kind of "not that impressive."

I'm genuinely curious to see how things go this weekend. I think Ohio State is the better team, but I'm not 100% sure of it.
Well, I might be sounding like a Purdue fan... Because I'm a Purdue fan :57:

But fundamentally I feel like if IU punches OSU in the face early, you're gonna see this...



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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #271 on: December 02, 2025, 08:00:59 PM »
What's funny is that perennial doormat IU would be in a great position for a NC back in the old system in the 90s.  Technically, OSU would be playing someone like Oregon in the RB and IU would be playing some 2-loss team in the Citrus or Holiday bowl, with a real shot at at least a share of the NC.

Now, they have to play OSU directly and then some big-boy team in the first round of the playoff. 
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #272 on: December 02, 2025, 08:07:40 PM »
This isn't the perennial doormat. Underestimate IU at your own risk. Are they better than OSU? I don't think so, but their resume this season suggests they are a top flight team.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #273 on: December 02, 2025, 08:10:04 PM »
They are very good. Their D Line really gets after the QB. 

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #274 on: December 02, 2025, 08:11:27 PM »
This isn't the perennial doormat. Underestimate IU at your own risk. Are they better than OSU? I don't think so, but their resume this season suggests they are a top flight team.
IU as a program is a perennial doormat.  The 2025 Hoosiers aren't, as they're 12-0.  You're distracting yourself.
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #275 on: December 02, 2025, 08:13:54 PM »
Nah, I know exactly what I'm talking about. You were suggesting that this change to the system is bad for IU because they will have to play real competition. Maybe they win, maybe they lose, but the idea that they can't take real competition because of their history ignores what this team is this year. 

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #276 on: December 02, 2025, 08:40:23 PM »
Tell me they wouldn’t match A&M up with ND in the first round ?  We’ve already played. 


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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #277 on: December 02, 2025, 08:53:15 PM »
Nah, I know exactly what I'm talking about. You were suggesting that this change to the system is bad for IU because they will have to play real competition. Maybe they win, maybe they lose, but the idea that they can't take real competition because of their history ignores what this team is this year.
Oh, I thought I knew what I meant more than you do.  

This change to the system makes it harder for ANYONE to win it all.  I was saying IU would have had an easier opponent in a 1-game task to get at least a share of a NC.  

It's mathematically MUCH easier back then than it is now, regardless of program.  
You're not a good mind-reader.
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #278 on: December 02, 2025, 09:22:07 PM »
To MDT point: 13 out of 32 is much different than 13/50 or 13/75. Make your cut wherever you want, there are 130+ D1 teams, but IMO only about 50 deserve to be there. It should have been capped a long time ago, with the ability to demote, and criteria to promote. 

Now look up the total number of teams that PLAYED for the SB, and lost. Sure, you’ll have your NE that lost several and won several but you’ll also have the Bears and SF and all the other teams. I’m betting you’ll have at least 20-25 teams out of 32 and reached the SB. Hell, 30 years ago I think the Cowboys are in the W column. And then if you look at all the teams that reached their conference championship or at least had a good season and were in contention I think you’ll capture everyone except the Browns. Texans may have even reached the CCG,I really don’t follow them very much. 


Now look at CFB, a team like Ole Miss has never played in the SEC CCG in 30+ years, hasn’t won a conference title since the 1960’s. Same for Kentucky.  The system never works for these teams, even in the pre-BCS era, the 4 team playoff, the BCS era. Arkansas has been lucky to reach the CCG 3 times, but hasn’t won the conference since the SWC in maybe 1990. 

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #279 on: December 02, 2025, 09:26:19 PM »
Tell me they wouldn’t match A&M up with ND in the first round ?  We’ve already played.

[img width=273.619 height=257]https://i.imgur.com/8I2CKZq.png[/img]
They tipped their hand by jumping Bama over Notre Dame.

All Notre Dame fans need to be the biggest Red Raider fans outside of Texas this week.

Everything appears clear to me:
  • The top-9 are locks.
  • #10 Notre Dame is in with a TxTech win, out with a BYU win.
  • #11 BYU is in if they win, out if they lose.
  • #17 UVA is in with a win, out with a loss.
  • The #20 Tulane / #24 UNT winner is in.
  • #25 JMU is in with a win and a DOOK win, out otherwise.
  • If unranked Dook beats #17 UVA then DOOK is in if JMU loses.


 

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