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Cincydawg

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8050 on: June 13, 2023, 07:26:47 AM »
If anyone built a residence of any type 2 feet above mean sea level (MSL), they'd likely be swamped at high tide.  People don't do such things.  And it is obvious fols have built buildings ten or so feet above the high tide mark and lived to regret it.  In the US, any building built in the last ~50 years or more close to a shore line of an ocean would be elevated over parking.  

And of course this notion that 40% of the world's population lives on the coast is absurd, and incorrect.  A two foot rise in MSL would cause some dislocation no doubt, especially in places that are not developed like Bangladesh, but that is projected to happen over ~80 years, and basically if nothing is done to combat things.  Folks will often make up figures because they are too lazy to use the best ones available to hype the situation.  The latest trend is to hype "violent weather" as if those things were rare in the past.

And obviously some folks get their information from movies.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8051 on: June 13, 2023, 08:28:47 AM »
Plenty of tides are more than 2 feet, some by a lot.
Yep. Tidal range in the Bristol Channel (Wales) is as much as 50 feet. Across the pond in Novia Scotia it can be as much as 55 feet.

You're not outrunning those.

The Carribean and Med have some of the lowest tides.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8052 on: June 13, 2023, 08:30:34 AM »
really, I'm that limited

you may be able to explain it to me

you are a professional
Not in water resources, he isn't.

That would be me.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8053 on: June 13, 2023, 08:32:26 AM »
Hawaii had no tides, apparently, for obvious reasons.  

The typical tidal range in the open ocean is about 1 metre (3 feet) (blue and green on the map on the right). Closer to the coast, this range is much greater. Coastal tidal ranges vary globally and can differ anywhere from near zero to over 16 m (52 ft).

A potential 2 foot increase in MSL would of course be problematic in some areas, but it wouldn't mean Manhattan would be 8 feet under water, unless you're making a movie, nor would it mean Orlando would become an ocean port city.  It would be largely manageable in western countries, some areas that never should have been built in the first place would get abandoned.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8054 on: June 13, 2023, 08:35:53 AM »
Hawaii had no tides, apparently, for obvious reasons. 

The typical tidal range in the open ocean is about 1 metre (3 feet) (blue and green on the map on the right). Closer to the coast, this range is much greater. Coastal tidal ranges vary globally and can differ anywhere from near zero to over 16 m (52 ft).

A potential 2 foot increase in MSL would of course be problematic in some areas, but it wouldn't mean Manhattan would be 8 feet under water, unless you're making a movie, nor would it mean Orlando would become an ocean port city.  It would be largely manageable in western countries, some areas that never should have been built in the first place would get abandoned.
Correct. And it's happening already. New Orleans has 250K less people than it did 60 years ago.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8055 on: June 13, 2023, 09:04:04 AM »
Correct. And it's happening already. New Orleans has 250K less people than it did 60 years ago.
How many of them volunteered to do so?
You're acting like "ho-hum, the problem is fixing itself." 
As if it wasn't a massive hurricane and years of mismanagement that caused those people to leave.  1400 of those 250K died in the storm and it cost $125 billion in damage.
Are you purposely misleading or just being a dickhead?
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8056 on: June 13, 2023, 09:07:41 AM »
folks have been moving in and out of flood plains since there have been folks

usually because of something much more drastic than a 2 foot raise over 80 years

it's a mole hill not a mountain
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8057 on: June 13, 2023, 09:09:44 AM »
How many of them volunteered to do so?
You're acting like "ho-hum, the problem is fixing itself." 
As if it wasn't a massive hurricane and years of mismanagement that caused those people to leave.  1400 of those 250K died in the storm and it cost $125 billion in damage.
Are you purposely misleading or just being a dickhead?
Are you claiming his figures are incorrect?  All he stated was a figure.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8058 on: June 13, 2023, 09:09:51 AM »
Yeah, because everyone is going to gradually move, over time.  That's going to happen.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8059 on: June 13, 2023, 09:10:25 AM »
A lot of folks do move, over time, it is known.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8060 on: June 13, 2023, 09:11:08 AM »
How many of them volunteered to do so?
You're acting like "ho-hum, the problem is fixing itself." 
As if it wasn't a massive hurricane and years of mismanagement that caused those people to leave.
Are you purposely misleading or just being a dickhead?
Dickhead?

You are awful condescending considering the topic is something you know little/nothing about.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8061 on: June 13, 2023, 09:11:42 AM »
'Skers were skeered of yet more losses to Texas and tucked their tails and fled.
That's just low down and mean,accurate I might add. Maybe that Bud Light swiller will be by to confirm :D
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« Reply #8062 on: June 13, 2023, 09:11:46 AM »
Are you claiming his figures are incorrect?  All he stated was a figure.
When you ignore the "how" of the numbers and the how includes most of the people being suddenly forced out, that's misleading.  
The lack of empathy in general on this board is demented.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8063 on: June 13, 2023, 09:15:09 AM »
Not in water resources, he isn't.

That would be me.
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