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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8022 on: June 12, 2023, 05:24:12 PM »
well, we both think building cities like Phoenix in the desert is foolish
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8023 on: June 12, 2023, 05:27:52 PM »
I figure any rational nonhyperbolic discussion of the topic SHOULD rely on current "best estimates" with some error bars around it, not just random guesses about something based on nothing.  It does help to be somewhat informed about the topic of course.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8024 on: June 12, 2023, 05:28:24 PM »
water evaporates and condenses

unless water escapes the earth's atmosphere it's going to fall back on the earth

perhaps in different places than usual, but clean water will be around

some folks may want to relocate from deserts and the coastal shoreline

perhaps more people will be living in North Dakota and Canada??

that doesn't seem like the end of the world as we know it to me
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8025 on: June 12, 2023, 05:33:20 PM »
The violent weather hype is mostly just that, there is relatively little sound evidence that weather today is any more violent than in the past.  That COULD change, but it hasn't as yet, at least not as much as the media portray.  (There is some evidence hurricanes are tending to move more slowly, but the ACE factor has been pretty level over decades.)  Every event from Canadian forest fires to California drought is blamed on climate change.  We of course experienced drastic drought in the 1930s.


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« Reply #8026 on: June 12, 2023, 05:34:04 PM »
I figure any rational nonhyperbolic discussion of the topic SHOULD rely on current "best estimates" with some error bars around it, not just random guesses about something based on nothing.  It does help to be somewhat informed about the topic of course.
the IPCC best estimates seem like vague hyperbole to me.
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« Reply #8027 on: June 12, 2023, 05:34:55 PM »
The violent weather hype is mostly just that, there is relatively little sound evidence that weather today is any more violent than in the past.  That COULD change, but it hasn't as yet, at least not as much as the media portray.  (There is some evidence hurricanes are tending to move more slowly, but the ACE factor has been pretty level over decades.)  Every event from Canadian forest fires to California drought is blamed on climate change.  We of course experienced drastic drought in the 1930s.


Dude,

Violent weather has become the norm!
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8028 on: June 12, 2023, 05:39:11 PM »
water evaporates and condenses

unless water escapes the earth's atmosphere it's going to fall back on the earth

perhaps in different places than usual, but clean water will be around

some folks may want to relocate from deserts and the coastal shoreline

perhaps more people will be living in North Dakota and Canada??

that doesn't seem like the end of the world as we know it to me
"some folks" and "shoreline" shouldn't be in the same sentence.
40% of the people on the planet live on the coast.
40% of 8 billion is 3.2 billion.  People.  
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8029 on: June 12, 2023, 05:39:42 PM »
the IPCC best estimates seem like vague hyperbole to me.
There is some meat on their estimates, in my view, whether I agree or not.  The summary is decently specific.  But on sea level rise, they show the usual range by 2100 centered on about 2 feet, in 80 years.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8030 on: June 12, 2023, 05:40:48 PM »
Clean water is an economic problem, not a climate problem. Desalinization is a perfectly acceptable technical solution, but the question is whether it is economically practicable to do so. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8031 on: June 12, 2023, 05:41:24 PM »
Clean water is an economic problem, not a climate problem. Desalinization is a perfectly acceptable technical solution, but the question is whether it is economically practicable to do so.
Energy, which stands in for money.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8032 on: June 12, 2023, 05:42:22 PM »
well, we both think building cities like Phoenix in the desert is foolish
Phoenix would be totally prudent if it was much smaller and the river wasn't dammed.  A modest-sized city that can provide for itself - great.
But we dam the river for power and import water and food and power from hundreds of miles away and have 2 million people living in a sand box.  
Idiocy.
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« Reply #8033 on: June 12, 2023, 05:43:26 PM »
There is some meat on their estimates, in my view, whether I agree or not.  The summary is decently specific.  But on sea level rise, they show the usual range by 2100 centered on about 2 feet, in 80 years.
I know the number 2 isn't big in isolation.
But a 2 foot sea level rise is MASSIVE.  
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8034 on: June 12, 2023, 05:45:12 PM »
40% of the people on the planet live on the coast.
40% of 8 billion is 3.2 billion.  People. 
In the US, 40% of the population lives in coastal counties, which I would not confuse with "on the coast".

Globally, the 40% figure applies to "within 100 km" of a coastline of an ocean.  Sometimes, details actually matter.  If some motel advertises they are "on the coast" and I find they are 60 miles inland, I might be unhappy with them.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8035 on: June 12, 2023, 05:45:44 PM »
I know the number 2 isn't big in isolation.
But a 2 foot sea level rise is MASSIVE. 
Plenty of tides are more than 2 feet, some by a lot.

 

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