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Honestbuckeye

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7980 on: June 11, 2023, 12:15:06 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 11, 2023, 12:13:39 PM
Maybe we should stay on topic and let this one drop ...

It's nice here today, a bit of rain earlier, I have the doors open.
Or/ we could ban the idiot from adult conversation 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7981 on: June 11, 2023, 12:15:29 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 11, 2023, 12:13:39 PM
Maybe we should stay on topic and let this one drop ...

It's nice here today, a bit of rain earlier, I have the doors open.
No shit, eh?
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« Reply #7982 on: June 11, 2023, 12:16:01 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7983 on: June 11, 2023, 03:45:41 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on June 11, 2023, 10:59:50 AM
The only point I was trying to make is that there are lots of "experts" out there, and lots of bad information.  Which is why you really do need to try and gather as many facts as you can before you decide. 
Yes, and we talked about it earlier in this thread about how to evaluate competing information. I thought my post and CD's follow-up were both very good. 

But then people still say "experts, pfffftt!" and here we are. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7984 on: June 11, 2023, 04:46:03 PM »
I'm an expert.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7985 on: June 11, 2023, 05:12:19 PM »
I was too, but in fields so narrow as to be mostly irrelevant.  Most of us are like that, and have some understanding of how much we don't know.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7986 on: June 11, 2023, 05:14:09 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 11, 2023, 12:13:39 PM
Maybe we should stay on topic and let this one drop ...

It's nice here today, a bit of rain earlier, I have the doors open.
Great day for golf today. Mid-high 60s and mostly overcast. Perfect to be not too hot. 

They say that this was one of the worst "May Gray" seasons in years, and now we're into "June Gloom", but I'll tell you, this is some of my favorite weather of the year. Mid-July to Mid-Sept can be a little too hot for my taste. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7987 on: June 11, 2023, 05:14:25 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7988 on: June 11, 2023, 07:59:26 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on June 11, 2023, 12:15:06 PM
Or/ we could ban the idiot from adult conversation
Wow, talk about falling on your own sword.
Bravo!
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7989 on: June 11, 2023, 07:59:49 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7990 on: June 11, 2023, 08:31:37 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 11, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
Great day for golf today. Mid-high 60s and mostly overcast. Perfect to be not too hot.

here too 

started this morning around 60 with a breeze - finished this afternoon about 75 and sunny
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« Reply #7991 on: June 11, 2023, 08:36:47 PM »
Feeling amazing in Phx…only 90.  
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7992 on: June 12, 2023, 06:37:50 AM »
From my NYT feed this AM:


With its open plains and thousands of miles of wheat fields, Kansas is one of the windiest states in the U.S. That makes it a great place for turbines that capture the wind and convert it into electricity. But too few people live there to use all that power.

So in 2010, developers started planning a large power-line project connecting Kansas with Missouri, Illinois and Indiana. They wanted to move the clean energy generated in Kansas, from both wind turbines and solar panels, to states with much bigger populations. That would let more communities replace planet-warming fossil fuels that have contributed to the kinds of wildfires and unhealthy air that have blanketed large swaths of North America this week.
Thirteen years later, however, full construction has not yet started on the project, known as the Grain Belt Express. Why? Because in addition to federal permission, the project needs approval from every local and state jurisdiction it passes through. And at different times since 2010, at least one agency has resisted it.
The Grain Belt Express is an example of a broader problem. America’s electrical grid is highly fragmented, as my colleagues Nadja Popovich and Brad Plumer explain in a story that’s just published. That decentralization makes it hard to coordinate the large, interstate projects needed to connect clean energy to the grid.
One way to get at that problem is to do what experts call permitting reform. The issue has recently gained national traction, and President Biden and Speaker Kevin McCarthy, the House Republican leader, discussed it during debt-limit negotiations last month. Local and state governments are considering changes, too.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7993 on: June 12, 2023, 08:57:19 AM »
Biden’s plan to phase out gas-powered cars is all pain for consumers and no gain | The Hill

A car maker could meet these standards with some advanced plug in hybrid vehicles, not full electric.  I think it calls for a fleet average of about 110 mpg equivalent, so we'd not be totally EV if these standards survived.  And of course used cars would remain ICE for a long long time.

Such standards tend to get, um, modified, as it becomes apparent they can't practicable be met.

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