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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7700 on: May 30, 2023, 04:52:23 PM »
It's almost june 1st

right on time
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7701 on: May 30, 2023, 05:01:32 PM »
September/October is the teeth of the tropical storm season. Runs from June 1 through November.
Ahh got it. 

Is there any understanding as to why the season is starting so soon this year? Has it been trending sooner over the last couple of decades? 

Obv being out here on the West Coast, I don't really pay much attention to Gulf/Atlantic storms. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7702 on: May 30, 2023, 05:30:00 PM »
But has anyone even done the cost/benefit analysis? 
Not even close because such an analysis would be very off the narrative and depressing.  I heard one "expert" sat Net Zero by 2050 for the US alone would cost $50 trillion.  Assuming that is in the ballpark, it's beyond ridiculous.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7703 on: May 30, 2023, 05:45:27 PM »
Not even close because such an analysis would be very off the narrative and depressing.  I heard one "expert" sat Net Zero by 2050 for the US alone would cost $50 trillion.  Assuming that is in the ballpark, it's beyond ridiculous.
especially China and India are not on board
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7704 on: May 30, 2023, 05:47:46 PM »
especially China and India are not on board
Even that really doesn't matter, as even if they were entirely on board, the US simply isn't going to spend $50 trillion over 27 years.

(And they are not on board obviously anyway.)

No country can afford that kind of money.  It obviously annoys me no end.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7705 on: May 30, 2023, 05:49:27 PM »
we also can't afford the pile of money they will spend, but............
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7706 on: May 30, 2023, 05:56:36 PM »
The last bill, the "IRA", allocates $37 billion a year for ten years, which is relatively modest of course, and will probably do a little bit that is useful, maybe a billion worth.

But seriously, thinking we'll find another $ TRILLION a year is just silly nonsense.

What it will cost to get to net-zero | McKinsey

$275 trillion globally, as if ...

Stopping Global Warming Will Cost $50 Trillion: Morgan Stanley Report (forbes.com)

This is why I keep saying "we" have to get realistic about this stuff at some point and quit pretending.

The $50 Trillion Carbon Neutral Plan That Experts Admit Won’t Work (johnlocke.org)


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7707 on: May 30, 2023, 09:48:29 PM »
I always hear about the cost of trying to be proactive (decades too late), but no one mentions the cost of being reactive.
When Florida is under water, how much will it cost to house and move 25 million people? 
If there's x% more wildfires and hurricanes causing x% more damage, how much will that cost?
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At least you're choosing the "when" and the "how much," however radical it may seem, when attempting to be proactive.
The problem with being reactive is that you have no say of "when" or "how much."

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7708 on: May 30, 2023, 10:51:15 PM »
The truth of the matter is that the only way to stop or at least slow global warming is that we have to change.  Nobody wants to, I damn sure don't want to, so here we are.  

I'm not going to change when Bill Gates, Joe Biden, all the rich folks in Silicon Valley and Hollywood and Wall Street aren't going to give up their mega yachts or private planes or McMansions (or literal mansions most likely).  We all know that all of these A-List fear-mongers emit more carbon than you or I ever could in our lifetime and they do it in a year what we couldn't do in a lifetime.

Leonardo DiCaprio isn't flying commercial jetting all over the world to scream about the environment.  And then it just rolls down hill all the way to the pretty rich folks who fly for fun (like Cincy Dawg) on down the people who use gas to heat their house in the winter down to the lowest levels of society.  The really poor don't give a flyin' fuck about Global Warming or climate change anyways, that's a rich man's problem.  

I know that I'd have to give up my boats, my truck, my A/C and all the creature comforts that I would literally die protecting because I'm not giving up one inch of my lifestyle.  And in truth, there is very little the US Gov't could do to make me.  If they tried to (and everybody knows their trying, but just a little whittle here and there) they know there would either be an uprising or revolt and they would soon be voted out of office.  Sure, there are fringes like AOC who preach this shit, but her constituents really don't want the change they vote for, if they got it they would immediately vote her out.  

So they increase the gas mileage standards a little bit, try to encourage electric car usage, put some money into R&D for green energy, put up subsidies for wind turbines and solar panels.  But let's face it, we all know that Climate Change is happening, already happened, and will continue to happen for at least the next 100-300 years.  I've read reports that even if we stopped 100% emitting carbon we would not see any reversal for that period of time.  So we all know what we're going to do is just learn to live with it.  More storms like Harvey, more extreme weather events, some people will move, some cities like NYC will end up building big sea-walls (I kinda think maybe that is bullshit with regards to how high the sea will get).  Some places will be abandoned, but hell there is cities that are fully submerged from thousands of years ago so it wouldn't be the first time.  

And plants will grow better and longer in season, and there will be some good side effects like maybe Minnesota not being so damn cold in the winter.  Weirdly, I feel that Texas is much, much colder in the winter so 'splain that one to me.  

But I'm only going to change when it's convenient for me to do so and cheaper.  Like if I can get an electric truck that is cheaper to operate and can go 500 miles one a charge and re-charge in under 30 minutes.  

And none of you are changing either, so let's just quit arguing about minutia that may or may not occur and just get on with living.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7709 on: May 30, 2023, 11:38:35 PM »
That's all we can do.
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I do love the "maybe there's good things about it" narrative, though.  That's amazing.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7710 on: May 31, 2023, 12:02:02 AM »
PS I was joking about CD being rich and flying for fun. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7711 on: May 31, 2023, 12:04:53 AM »
That's all we can do.
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I do love the "maybe there's good things about it" narrative, though.  That's amazing.
We’ll, not all the earth will be negatively affected. You know that right?  Some areas will be more temperate, dry areas will receive more rainfall, cold areas will be warmer. It’s widely known by climate scientists, disregarded by the media. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7712 on: May 31, 2023, 03:53:52 AM »
Of course, but all of human society and settlement has been based on relatively consistent temps since the last ice age. 
I realize the port of Miami being under 20 feet of water is good for the eventual port of Orlando, but that transition is going to be a major one.
And the cost of the "bad for some, good for others" ideology will be just as high as the "too high" costs being thrown around now.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7713 on: May 31, 2023, 06:49:12 AM »
How long will it take for Miami to be under 20 feet of water?

 

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