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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7322 on: April 17, 2023, 02:47:26 PM »
Plant more trees and leave 'em alone.
Trees die longer term, and fall down, and degrade.  This only works for growing trees and/or trees that get buried.

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« Reply #7323 on: April 17, 2023, 02:48:47 PM »
Yep. Keep planting trees.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7324 on: April 17, 2023, 04:36:27 PM »
I wonder at times if some of his misinformation is purveyed by folks who know it's wrong and intend to deceive.  The COVID vaccine misinformation is similar, I think.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7325 on: April 17, 2023, 04:42:29 PM »
Biden’s climate blind spot | The Hill

Another toothless useless opinion piece with nary a solution.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7326 on: April 17, 2023, 04:53:38 PM »
Has any scientist tested the greenhouse effect co2 causes

Like maybe creating a contained atmosphere like earths and testing its ability to retain heat

with various mixtures of co2

Is this just a theory on paper are have actual tests been done to prove it
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7327 on: April 17, 2023, 04:58:44 PM »
Has any scientist tested the greenhouse effect co2 causes

Like maybe creating a contained atmosphere like earths and testing its ability to retain heat

with various mixtures of co2

Is this just a theory on paper are have actual tests been done to prove it
This is well known, well tested, completely consistent with theory and experiment.  The IR spectrum of CO2 is of course well known and demonstrates its power as a GHG.

Without CO2 in our atmosphere, our climate would be much colder.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7328 on: April 17, 2023, 05:06:59 PM »
whats interesting to me is that co2 only makes up .04% of our atmosphere and man made co2 is only a little less the 4% of that number

Its very amazing to me that 4% of .04% makes as much difference as we are being told it does

thats why Im asking about testing this

I found nothing on this
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7329 on: April 17, 2023, 05:12:42 PM »
whats interesting to me is that co2 only makes up .04% of our atmosphere and man made co2 is only a little less the 4% of that number
As has been explained several times, this 4% figure is simply false.  It's not remotely close to being true.  It is not even debateable.

I think you probably would need to do some more reading about the greenhouse effect to appreciate how 0.04% can make a large difference in heat emission and temperature.  I could post the IR spectrum, but it wouldn't mean anything unless you understand IR spectra.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7330 on: April 17, 2023, 05:31:11 PM »
As has been explained several times, this 4% figure is simply false.  It's not remotely close to being true.  It is not even debateable.




Here are some sources for supporting that man made co2 being aprox 4% of toal co2 in our atmosphere let me know if you need more


https://www.echopress.com/opinion/letter-only-a-tiny-percent-of-co2-in-the-atmosphere-is-man-made

https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-the-CO2-in-the-atmosphere-is-man-made-What-contributes-the-most-CO2

https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/16188/which-percentage-of-textco-2-emissions-are-human-made-emissions
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7331 on: April 17, 2023, 05:37:25 PM »
so if our total atmosphere was 10,000 units of volume

Total co2 would be 40 units

Total man made co2 would be 1.6 units

It is just amazing that such a small number of units would be causing global warming
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7332 on: April 17, 2023, 05:42:44 PM »
so if our total atmosphere was 10,000 units of volume

Total co2 would be 40 units

Total man made co2 would be 1.6 units

It is just amazing that such a small number of units would be causing global warming
Being amazing doesn't make it wrong. 

Methane is currently about 1.8 ppm in the atmosphere, which seems paltry compared to the 400+ ppm of CO2. Obviously CO2 is therefore over 200x the concentration in the atmosphere of methane. 

But atmospheric methane has about 80x the warming power of CO2, so it is estimated to be responsible for a full 25% or more of the observed climate warming. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7333 on: April 17, 2023, 05:50:44 PM »
Being amazing doesn't make it wrong.

Methane is currently about 1.8 ppm in the atmosphere, which seems paltry compared to the 400+ ppm of CO2. Obviously CO2 is therefore over 200x the concentration in the atmosphere of methane.

But atmospheric methane has about 80x the warming power of CO2, so it is estimated to be responsible for a full 25% or more of the observed climate warming.
I agree but that why Im asking has anyone ever dont experiments creating a copy of earths atmosphere and looking at its heat retention

and varying the mixture to see the results or is it simply assumed
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7334 on: April 17, 2023, 05:51:43 PM »
It is just amazing that such a small number of units would be causing global warming
Or, let's put it another way. Let's say you weigh 100 kg (220 lbs).

Inhaling 300 NANOgrams of something shouldn't hurt you, right? It's just such a small number of units. It's only 0.0000000003% of your body mass!!!

Of course, on the other hand if it's botulinum toxin, it'll kill you.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7335 on: April 17, 2023, 05:55:55 PM »
I agree but that why Im asking has anyone ever dont experiments creating a copy of earths atmosphere and looking at its heat retention

and varying the mixture to see the results or is it simply assumed
Yes. MANY experiments have been done. The relationship between CO2 and also methane as greenhouse gases is WELL understood. 

In fact, it's so well known and understood that it's an experiment you can do to show school children. https://www.steampoweredfamily.com/the-greenhouse-effect-experiment/

 

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