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Topic: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?

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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #70 on: February 01, 2019, 06:20:13 AM »
I'm not pushing 2018 Clemson so much as pushing any championship team 25 years later than the earlier team.

My GUESS is the level of play has simply improved over that period by a lot, coupled with better nutrition, strength training, coaching, and better experience at the HS and earlier levels.  

I might be wrong obviously, and perhaps 25 years isn't long enough to make a difference.  My thought is the players on both sides of the ball today are heavier, faster, and better than they were 25 years ago.

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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #71 on: February 01, 2019, 07:41:15 AM »
A few things. Anthony was the No 4 we that year. It was Doering, Hilliard, Green.
I know that, but I was appealing to everyone's sense of talent level.  It seems to be all anyone cares about here, as evidenced by your next point about Lawrence...

 I also think you’re understating the quality of Lawrence and his WRs. I might take the Clemson WRs, and Lawrence is clearly a better pure thrower, granted he’s less in tune with the offense/CFB.
"Better pure thrower"...I'll never concede this point, ever.  Manning was a better pure thrower than Wuerffel, but what does it matter if he didn't play better?  Arm talent is irrelevant if it doesn't yield better production.  Wuerffel's 1995 season yielded a high-volume, most efficient passing season EVER, up to that point.  

But the main difference is a more refined offense. It’s been a while since I watched the film, but the quick screen game wasn’t so advanced back then. Neb just blitzed and blitzed, and the deep drop offense gave up a lot.  
This is true, but Florida had plenty of 3-step drops, but if the first guy isn't open on those, you're toast if there's an unblocked rusher.  
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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #72 on: February 01, 2019, 07:43:27 AM »
I'm not pushing 2018 Clemson so much as pushing any championship team 25 years later than the earlier team.

My GUESS is the level of play has simply improved over that period by a lot, coupled with better nutrition, strength training, coaching, and better experience at the HS and earlier levels.  

I might be wrong obviously, and perhaps 25 years isn't long enough to make a difference.  My thought is the players on both sides of the ball today are heavier, faster, and better than they were 25 years ago.
Yes, there'a timeline adjustment to all sports, even the less physical ones, like baseball.  The men's 100m dash time will always progress to a quicker time, etc.  But since we don't know the rate of that adjustment, aren't we really to just compare teams to their peers?  Or take each team and have them meet in the middle, timeline-wise?  
1995 Nebraska vs 2018 Clemson in 2007, something like that?
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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #73 on: February 01, 2019, 07:46:45 AM »
I'd like to see the 95 Skers go against all these teams.  The players and coaches would have also loved the challenge.
the list of teams undoubtedly had great run defenses, but they didn't play many teams that avg 400 yards on the ground
Yeah, but who did?

Spurrier's gators had a great team and a solid defense.  They were simply outcoached and could not stand up physically.
I don't deem it a physicality issue if defenders are running free.  
Defensively, Florida wasn't strong against the run, statistically, AND was almost always way ahead, so teams weren't running the ball to win on them.  
And physically, to be frank and maybe a little conspiracy theorist, does anybody think the blood work from those Husker OL and DL players would come back clean that night?  
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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #74 on: February 01, 2019, 09:23:46 AM »
  
And physically, to be frank and maybe a little conspiracy theorist, does anybody think the blood work from those Husker OL and DL players would come back clean that night?  
Weak sauce.

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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #75 on: February 01, 2019, 11:49:13 AM »
I don't deem it a physicality issue if defenders are running free.  
Defensively, Florida wasn't strong against the run, statistically, AND was almost always way ahead, so teams weren't running the ball to win on them.  
And physically, to be frank and maybe a little conspiracy theorist, does anybody think the blood work from those Husker OL and DL players would come back clean that night?  
the 400 yards per game?  that's my point the teams with great run defense stats might slow them down, maybe not
the biggest mismatch of physicality was the Husker offense running thru the gator defense
as far as roids and cheating.......... it was Spurrier and the SEC.  If they weren't cheating, shame on them.

besides, creatine is a legal substance 
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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #76 on: February 01, 2019, 01:38:46 PM »
lol @ creatine



I was thinking more along the lines of farm animal stuff - the kind of crap the West Germans were always doing.  But I'm probably wrong.  

The veil over the mid-90s Huskers mimics the "how were we supposed to know?" of MLB juicers in the McGwire/Sosa season where all-time records went to die.

I'm sure it was just farmer strength and dedication and Saint Dr. Tom and all that.  You're right.
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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2019, 02:15:56 PM »
the Nebraskans know a few things about growing bigger and faster and stronger farm animals

not much support for all organic food back in the 90s
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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2019, 02:20:07 PM »
Sometimes getting your ass whooped doesn't mean the other fella is doing anything wrong...he's just doing everything alot better than you. This was like that. 

Tim Tebow's physique OTOH....more of a West German tinge.  

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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2019, 04:17:10 PM »
steroids.... LMAO.    Thank you.  I needed that after this week.

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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #80 on: February 01, 2019, 06:52:13 PM »
Sometimes getting your ass whooped doesn't mean the other fella is doing anything wrong...he's just doing everything alot better than you. This was like that.

Tim Tebow's physique OTOH....more of a West German tinge.  
You're right, no one whispered about it.  No smoke.  No fire.  Just a bitter old fan here.....:67:
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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #81 on: February 01, 2019, 08:50:57 PM »
so the roids peaked in 95

didn't work in 92, 93 or 96 or 98
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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #82 on: February 01, 2019, 10:08:05 PM »
Well we could joke around or have a real conversation.  You left out '94.

Maybe it's just sour grapes.  Sure.  Could be.
But if, IF, steroids were a thing on a team for a time...
you'd have coaches either clueless or turning their backs or endorsing them
you'd have some players hesitant and dip their toe in, some avoid them, and others dive in and have a program and feel like they need them (think that LB in "The Program")
you'd have team leaders one year that weren't about it, and team leaders other years that questioned your love of the team if you didn't partake

All of those are the strains of possibilities if steroids were a thing.  There'd be an ebb and flow.  Maybe it did peak in '94 and '95, maybe not.  Maybe there's a reason Warren Sapp was gasping for air in the 4th quarter and Zack Wiegert wasn't.  
But if it's silly to suggest steroids were a thing without solid evidence, it'd be just as silly to suggest those linemen had clean piss.  Would you bet a dollar on it?  $10,000?  

But I'm probably wrong.  And it's not just a UNL OL thing.  Tony Mandarich.  Steve Emtman.  Genetic freaks who were dedicated enough to take in chemicals which enabled them to be even more dedicated.  What I hate about the steroids discussion is the immediate dark cloud that hangs over it.  With this, with Bonds, with whoever.  Hey, if you love your team and you're dying to be the best you can be for your team and your body only allows you to work out 3 hours per day, but you find something that allows you to workout 5 hours per day, for your team, for you to contribute, and you do it...are you bad?  Wrong?  If a shot in your butt lets 4th quarters feel like 1st quarters or game 150 feel like game 15 and your success helps your team...your dedication almost compels you to do it.

So I'm not calling into question anyone's determination or dedication or loyalty here.  No one's work ethic is up in the air.

« Last Edit: February 01, 2019, 10:15:01 PM by OrangeAfroMan »
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Re: VOTE - Who would win the 1995 CFP?
« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2019, 12:12:42 AM »
OAM, for reasons I don't understand, I can't quote your quote of my post. Sufficed to say, that's fair. 

I'm probably projecting a little too much with Ross, Higgins and Lawrence. Granted, they're all good as hell. I still think the more modern offense would cause some issues with that base 4-3, but as you said, UF was more modern than most at the time, and Neb did its damage just the same. 

 

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