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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #896 on: August 12, 2023, 02:55:12 PM »

Hmm....those seem like 2 pairs in very different positions atm.
Or are they?
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« Reply #897 on: August 12, 2023, 03:41:49 PM »

This, if true, is profoundly insane. Would show the admins really running things.

Also, ND gets a vote. Trash.

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« Reply #898 on: August 12, 2023, 03:48:02 PM »
ND getting a vote makes me realize how pathetic the ACC is.
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« Reply #899 on: August 12, 2023, 04:38:01 PM »
Even as a fan/alum of one of the biggest, if not the biggest, ratings draw in the league I'm not currently in favor of cutting dead weight. 

I doubt I ever would be but, if the situation demanded it, I could see the big draws demanding unequal shares.

When I say "if the situation demanded it", what I'm imagining is a situation where the SEC contract was substantially more than the B1G. 

A say $5-10M difference per year is fine. However if the next SEC contract is $100M/school/year and the next B1G contract is $60M/school/year. In a case like that I could see tOSU, M, PSU, etc walking into a league meeting and demanding larger shares based on their drawing more viewers. At that point the league would pretty much have to cave. Otherwise the big draws would pretty much have to bolt. 

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« Reply #900 on: August 12, 2023, 05:02:01 PM »
The B1G TV deal runs for 8-9 years, I think.

What if Fox, NBC and CBS go to the B1G wonks and demand that the dead weight be cut?

Medina talks about not having two schools in one state. That takes out IU or PU*, UM or MSU, UI or NU. Obviously, there's a Rutgers issue too, and maybe an Oregon issue once Uncle Phil is no longer a factor.

* Or both, should ND come.
Question--does the B1G have a GOR that restricts schools from leaving without massive penalties? I understand the SEC doesn't, right? The ACC does, which is a big sticking point in trying to raid them. 

I think utee is correct. Cutting dead weight is likely a legal non-starter. It will cost more than the top schools leaving even if there are big penalties for leaving. But the top schools leaving, assuming there are not major penalties, is a lot easier than either. 

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« Reply #901 on: August 12, 2023, 06:41:10 PM »



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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #902 on: August 13, 2023, 12:21:59 AM »
I see cutting dead weight as a bad idea, due to wins and losses.  
OSU and UM et al are what they are because they tend to win the most games year-in and year-out.  Part of the reason is that they beat up on the lesser programs.  
Without lesser programs, some of those OSU and UM wins turn to losses.  Year over year.  And when your peak programs have extra losses here and there, the elite of your conference isn't as elite.

So it winds up being good for the conference/TV wallet to keep those programs around.  They help your elite teams remain elite.  They serve a purpose.  
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« Reply #903 on: August 13, 2023, 08:21:35 AM »
I see cutting dead weight as a bad idea, due to wins and losses. 
OSU and UM et al are what they are because they tend to win the most games year-in and year-out.  Part of the reason is that they beat up on the lesser programs. 
Without lesser programs, some of those OSU and UM wins turn to losses.  Year over year.  And when your peak programs have extra losses here and there, the elite of your conference isn't as elite.

So it winds up being good for the conference/TV wallet to keep those programs around.  They help your elite teams remain elite.  They serve a purpose. 
This is true and will go unacknowledged until we’re off the cliff.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #904 on: August 13, 2023, 08:28:37 AM »
Imagine some super conference with only top 30 programs (not teams per se, but programs) and no OOC games.  What would the record of the "best team" be typically?  Probably 9-3 maybe 10-2.




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« Reply #905 on: August 13, 2023, 08:39:46 AM »
that's why there will be non-con games

probably pay the non-con to come to town and take a beating

paying them less per game than a conference share of revenue
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« Reply #906 on: August 13, 2023, 08:41:37 AM »
Yeah, you need some pastries on the schedule, it's not like the NFL where the worst team is still modestly capable.  You don't see 35+ point spreads in the NFL (usually).

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #907 on: August 14, 2023, 04:22:16 PM »
Hearing conflicting reports whether the Big Ten is considering moving some of the Big Ten's CCGs to Vegas.  Some reports are saying the Big Ten is in official talks with Alegiant Stadium to maybe play 2 times every 5 years.

https://www.si.com/college/nebraska/football/report-future-big-ten-football-championships-heading-to-las-vegas

But other reports says the Big Ten has made no official decisions and is not in any official talks

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/2023/08/14/big-ten-football-championship-game-not-heading-to-las-vegas-move-indianapolis-2024-big-10/70590245007/

I actually think is a good idea if it is true.  Both the midwest and West fans should have quick and easy access to get flights to and hotel rooms in Vegaa at short notice.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #908 on: August 14, 2023, 11:31:13 PM »
And then, why try to make a deal with the PAC? If you make a deal with the PAC, you end up with all the crappy PAC schools that you were holding your nose to pay off in order to get the few schools you want.

If you have already made a B12 deal, it's a lot better for the B12 and B1G to dismember the PAC and take the valuable properties so you can cut the dead weight.

You make the deal with the B12. Then you don't offer the PAC anything, in the hopes that the lack of an offer causes what we saw--the exodus of the best properties to the B12 and B1G.
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On February 1, 1930, the Big Ten Faculty Committee unanimously voted to reinstate Iowa after a one-month expulsion. During the 1929-30 basketball season, no Big Ten teams were on Iowa's schedule. 1929-1930 Season Summary for Iowa Hawkeyes | basketball - Summary of Iowa football and basketball games (hawkeyerecap.com) Iowa played several Big Ten teams in the 1930-31 season, so there was some effect to the expulsion in 1930.

I mention this because misconduct could require the Big Ten to suspend or expel a member. Shortly after Rutgers joined I thought they might be expelled after its athletic director was accused of abusing players as a coach, and after its basketball coach Mike Rice was captured on video shoving, grabbing, and throwing balls at players, and using gay slurs, but Rutgers took action. What an auspicious start in the Big Ten.

Now Northwestern has a player hazing / sexual misconduct controversy on its football team, and while the head coach was fired, all the assistants seem to have retained their jobs, and it appears no players involved have been disciplined.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #909 on: August 15, 2023, 07:29:12 AM »
Even as a fan/alum of one of the biggest, if not the biggest, ratings draw in the league I'm not currently in favor of cutting dead weight.

I doubt I ever would be but, if the situation demanded it, I could see the big draws demanding unequal shares.
Good post but with the exception of a handfull of teams nationwide it seems the script could be flipped every couple of yrs.Hell Miami,SC,ND even the Horns haven't been rattling any sabres for 10-15 yrs. I and believe most here were never on board with the Rutgers/Maryland move - Big Jim's pipe dream who didn't think it thru.Rutgers wasn't bringing any eyeballs from the East Coast.And the Terps ATH.Dept was in danger of getting the Axe. So pushing them back to their natural digs wouldn't be to upsetting.Penn St in the east & Nebraska in the west were helmets and made sense though it would be nice if they ramped it up.....but not too much
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