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medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #882 on:** August 11, 2023, 03:35:14 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 11, 2023, 01:23:54 PM

That doesn't make any sense at all. If there was a $30M/school offer in late 2022, then why wouldn't there have still been an offer in July of 2023? Even if ESPN decided to decrease the number, even a $20M/school offer would have been better than nothing, and nothing is what they were offered from ALL parties in July of 2023 (I'm not counting Apple's terrible deal).

Larry never really had a shot at Texas, because once ESPN and Fox came back with more acceptable numbers for the B12 contract in 2010, Texas wasn't going anywhere.

This doesn't entirely make sense to me but, according to Joel Klatt the networks needed one (but not two) more deals for their inventory. As I understand the argument, in late 2022 that last deal was going to either the Pac or the B12. The B12 struck first and nobody needed inventory after that.

utee94 · « **Reply #883 on:** August 11, 2023, 03:51:19 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on August 11, 2023, 03:35:14 PM

This doesn't entirely make sense to me but, according to Joel Klatt the networks needed one (but not two) more deals for their inventory. As I understand the argument, in late 2022 that last deal was going to either the Pac or the B12. The B12 struck first and nobody needed inventory after that.

That sounds like bulljive to me, but we'll likely never know.

FearlessF · « **Reply #884 on:** August 11, 2023, 04:12:32 PM »

it's Joel Klatt

Bulljive boy

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #885 on:** August 11, 2023, 04:40:59 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 11, 2023, 03:51:19 PM

That sounds like bulljive to me, but we'll likely never know.

The part of it that makes some sense is that I don't think that PAC football as a standalone makes sense for a network. They just don't have the volume of passionate fans that will tune in like your school/conference and mine. Thus, I think it mostly only works if, like ESPN, you can air larger draws (like your school) early then try to keep some viewers around late at night after your school's game ends.

An example would be NBC when Notre Dame was literally the only CFB they had. That worked with Notre Dame because Notre Dame has an appreciable number of fans passionate enough to seek out and find ND.

So if Klatt is right, I think that is why. Once they locked down the B12 they simply had no remaining need for additional content with a relatively weak draw.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #886 on:** August 11, 2023, 05:05:16 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on August 11, 2023, 04:40:59 PM

So if Klatt is right, I think that is why. Once they locked down the B12 they simply had no remaining need for additional content with a relatively weak draw.

And then, why try to make a deal with the PAC? If you make a deal with the PAC, you end up with all the crappy PAC schools that you were holding your nose to pay off in order to get the few schools you want.

If you have already made a B12 deal, it's a lot better for the B12 and B1G to dismember the PAC and take the valuable properties so you can cut the dead weight.

You make the deal with the B12. Then you don't offer the PAC anything, in the hopes that the lack of an offer causes what we saw--the exodus of the best properties to the B12 and B1G.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #887 on:** August 11, 2023, 05:15:29 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 11, 2023, 05:05:16 PM

And then, why try to make a deal with the PAC? If you make a deal with the PAC, you end up with all the crappy PAC schools that you were holding your nose to pay off in order to get the few schools you want.

If you have already made a B12 deal, it's a lot better for the B12 and B1G to dismember the PAC and take the valuable properties so you can cut the dead weight.

You make the deal with the B12. Then you don't offer the PAC anything, in the hopes that the lack of an offer causes what we saw--the exodus of the best properties to the B12 and B1G.

I wonder when the XII, B1G and SEC start cutting some dead weight.

40 years ago, my school was dead weight. And we all know there is dead weight in the B1G today. SEC too.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #888 on:** August 11, 2023, 05:30:37 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 11, 2023, 05:15:29 PM

I wonder when the XII, B1G and SEC start cutting some dead weight.

40 years ago, my school was dead weight. And we all know there is dead weight in the B1G today. SEC too.

Don't see it happening.

Alternatively, what I'd see is the non-deadweight leaving for a super conference of some sort, and so they're not "cutting" the dead weight, they're just leaving it on the vine to die.

So instead of a 24-team B1G and 24-team SEC, you end up with a 24-team "whatever the name is" that takes the best of the B1G, SEC, ACC, and B12, and schools like mine are still in the B1G but it's a raped conference.

FearlessF · « **Reply #889 on:** August 11, 2023, 05:41:40 PM »

kinda like the PAC

utee94 · « **Reply #890 on:** August 11, 2023, 06:15:19 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 11, 2023, 05:15:29 PM

I wonder when the XII, B1G and SEC start cutting some dead weight.

Never gonna happen. Maybe 30-40 years ago, but as we've discussed many times, the contracts are just too big now. In the near future, a full-share B1G school is going to be getting $80M/year or more. Over a decade, that's almost a billion dollars. There's not a school in the country that's going to allow itself to get cut out of a billion dollars. The legal implications would be enormous and the conference would get bankrupted fighting off even one school, much less many.

So what's more likely is...

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 11, 2023, 05:30:37 PM

Alternatively, what I'd see is the non-deadweight leaving for a super conference of some sort, and so they're not "cutting" the dead weight, they're just leaving it on the vine to die.

So instead of a 24-team B1G and 24-team SEC, you end up with a 24-team "whatever the name is" that takes the best of the B1G, SEC, ACC, and B12, and schools like mine are still in the B1G but it's a raped conference.

This.

FearlessF · « **Reply #891 on:** August 12, 2023, 09:13:05 AM »

https://www.kold.com/video/2023/08/07/ua-shift-pac12-big12-could-also-have-academic-impact/

Mentions the Big 10

847badgerfan · « **Reply #892 on:** August 12, 2023, 10:38:22 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 11, 2023, 05:30:37 PM

Don't see it happening.

Alternatively, what I'd see is the non-deadweight leaving for a super conference of some sort, and so they're not "cutting" the dead weight, they're just leaving it on the vine to die.

So instead of a 24-team B1G and 24-team SEC, you end up with a 24-team "whatever the name is" that takes the best of the B1G, SEC, ACC, and B12, and schools like mine are still in the B1G but it's a raped conference.

The B1G TV deal runs for 8-9 years, I think.

What if Fox, NBC and CBS go to the B1G wonks and demand that the dead weight be cut?

Medina talks about not having two schools in one state. That takes out IU or PU*, UM or MSU, UI or NU. Obviously, there's a Rutgers issue too, and maybe an Oregon issue once Uncle Phil is no longer a factor.

* Or both, should ND come.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #893 on:** August 12, 2023, 10:38:40 AM »

Klatt didn’t report this, did he?

847badgerfan · « **Reply #894 on:** August 12, 2023, 10:41:06 AM »

FearlessF · « **Reply #895 on:** August 12, 2023, 11:04:21 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 12, 2023, 10:38:22 AM

The B1G TV deal runs for 8-9 years, I think.

What if Fox, NBC and CBS go to the B1G wonks and demand that the dead weight be cut?

Medina talks about not having two schools in one state. That takes out IU or PU*, UM or MSU, UI or NU. Obviously, there's a Rutgers issue too, and maybe an Oregon issue once Uncle Phil is no longer a factor.

* Or both, should ND come.

I think it more likely the SEC helmets cut dead weight first to get larger shares of TV revenue to stay ahead of the B1G.
It's more a move by the helmets asking what can be done to get more money from the networks than the networks asking the conference to cut out less valuable content.

Then the B1G would react in same.

The SEC's first move to provide more valuable content will be 9-game conference schedule.

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