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« Reply #3444 on: May 18, 2024, 09:56:04 AM »
Railway bikes; manufactured by the Sheffield Car Company, Three Rivers, Michigan, makers of 1, 2, and 4- man self-propelled railroad inspection hand cars. Photo likely in Pellston, Michigan 1910.

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« Reply #3445 on: May 19, 2024, 09:51:40 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Marilyn Monroe Sings "Happy Birthday, Mr. President" (1962)
In 1962, US President John F. Kennedy's birthday was celebrated with a lavish party at Madison Square Garden in New York City. During the event, Monroe took the stage and delivered a sultry version of "Happy Birthday," substituting "Mr. President" for Kennedy's name, a gesture that has served to fuel the persistent rumors that she and Kennedy had engaged in an affair. The performance was one of Monroe's last major public appearances.
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« Reply #3446 on: May 19, 2024, 10:52:44 AM »
Morning bathers in Las Vegas watch a mushroom cloud from an atomic test 75 miles away, 1953.

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« Reply #3447 on: May 19, 2024, 11:52:21 AM »
ON MAY 16, 1842, about 100 pioneers with 18 wagons set out from the Independence, Missouri, area in one of the first wagon trains to the Northwest. Over the next two decades, tens of thousands would follow on the Oregon Trail, the longest of the great overland routes to the western frontier. “Oregon or the Grave.” “Patience and Perseverance.” “Never Say Die.” Such were the slogans that pioneer families painted on their wagons before striking out on the Oregon Trail, which began at Independence and stretched 2,000 miles across the Great Plains and Rocky Mountains to the valleys of the Oregon Territory.
 
The journey usually took four to six months. The settlers started out in the spring so they could get through the mountains before snow blocked the passes. They packed as much flour, bacon, salt, dried fruit, and other supplies as they could into the covered wagons, called “prairie schooners” because, from a distance, their white canvas tops looked like ship sails crossing the plains. Once on the trail, the settlers averaged about 15 miles a day. Many walked the whole trail beside the wagons.
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ON MAY 16, 1842, about 100 pioneers with 18 wagons set out from the Independence, Missouri, area in one of the first wagon trains to the Northwest. Over the next two decades, tens of thousands would follow on the Oregon Trail, the longest of the great overland routes to the western frontier. “Oregon or the Grave.” “Patience and Perseverance.” “Never Say Die.” Such were the slogans that pioneer families painted on their wagons before striking out on the Oregon Trail, which began at Independence and stretched 2,000 miles across the Great Plains and Rocky Mountains to the valleys of the Oregon Territory.
 
The journey usually took four to six months. The settlers started out in the spring so they could get through the mountains before snow blocked the passes. They packed as much flour, bacon, salt, dried fruit, and other supplies as they could into the covered wagons, called “prairie schooners” because, from a distance, their white canvas tops looked like ship sails crossing the plains. Once on the trail, the settlers averaged about 15 miles a day. Many walked the whole trail beside the wagons.
The passage is from The American Patriot's Almanac: Daily Readings on America by William J. Bennett, John T.E. Cribb.
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« Reply #3449 on: Today at 10:07:09 AM »
Here is some weird history:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HWywUVvm3E

This whole series has been pretty good.  It is a week-by-week history of WWII done as if in real time.  

Anyway, on this week's episode they went into detail about something that I knew about in general but I was pretty vague on the specifics.  Starting at about 19:30 they explain the Point System that General Marshall came up with after VE Day to decide which guys would get to go home and which would stay in the Armed Services which (for the vast majority) would have meant heading to the Pacific for the invasion of Japan.  

It was first explained to me by a WWII vet I worked with who was one of the younger ones.  He was born in 1926, graduated from HS on D-Day (June 6, 1944), enlisted immediately upon graduation, and first saw combat at the outskirts of the Battle of the Bulge in December, 1944 so about six months after HS Graduation.  When the Germans surrendered on May 8, 1945 he had been in the service for 11 months and in combat for six.  That sounds like a LOT of service to me and it is . . . compared to me and probably to all or nearly all of us on this board but in the scheme of things at the time, his service was VERY limited compared to a lot of other guys . . .

Example of one of those "other guys":  When I was a kid I mowed a lot of yards and one of my customers was a significantly older WWII veteran.  I think he was born in about 1920.  Anyway, he joined the US Army BEFORE Pearl Harbor.  By VE day his service record included all of the following (these are just the things I know of from talking to him, I'm sure there was more):

  • In the service for around five years (I know he joined in 1940 but not sure if it was early 1940 which would mean ~65 months by May, 1945 or late in 1940 which would mean around 53 months by May, 1945.  
  • Landed in N. Africa as part of Operation Torch.  
  • Helped chase Rommel across and eventually out of N. Africa.  
  • Landed in Sicily.  
  • Helped kick the Germans out of Sicily.  
  • Landed in Italy.  
  • Helped liberate Southern Italy.  
  • Transferred to England.  
  • Landed in Normandy on D-Day.  
  • Helped push the Germans back from Normandy to mid-Germany.  

I have the utmost respect for the first guy mentioned above and, as I said earlier, his service sounds like a lot to me and was a lot more then probably nearly all of us here but, compared to the second guy mentioned above, his service was minimal.  

General Marshall's idea was to let the guys with the most service go home first.  When the first guy mentioned above explained all this to me, he joked that he had "almost no points".  Near as I can tell he'd have had around 20-25 points.  That and $1 will get you a cup of coffee.  You needed 85 points to go home.  The second guy mentioned above probably had easily double the 85 points needed to go home.  

Anyway the points, as explained in the video are:
  • 1 point for each month in service
  • 1 point for each month overseas
  • Points for medals for valor
  • Points for battle stars
  • 5 Points for each Purple Heart
  • 12 Points for being a father (12 for each kid up to three)

I find this interesting in part because it was a monumental logistical challenge.  The US had literally MILLIONS of men deployed all across the world and under this system they were going to reshuffle all of them and somehow end up with what they needed in terms of both numbers and experience ready to hit the beaches of Japan by November 1, 1945.  

 

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