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ELA

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #504 on: December 01, 2023, 08:49:35 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 01, 2023, 08:48:25 AM
was too much drama with him even back to his 'crootin days. super talented kid but too much baggage and crazy family and "handlers" looking for NIL $$$$$$$$.
Sounds like the NIL asking price is sky high.  No thanks
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #505 on: December 01, 2023, 09:10:34 AM »
I expect some UGA QBs will transfer out especially if Carson Beck doesn't go pro (I expect he will).

They have two highly rated guys sitting on the bench and more coming in next year.  I'm surprised they didn't move already really.  

How Georgia's quarterback room is set up for the present, future - UGASports (rivals.com)
How Georgia's quarterback room is set up for the present, future - UGASports (rivals.com)

With a strong season, Beck could have the opportunity to move on to the NFL, leaving Vandagriff, Stockton, Raiola, and Puglisi – assuming they all stay – to battle for the starting job in 2024.


Beck has had a very strong season, better than anyone could have expected outside the team.  He's probably a first rounder now.
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #506 on: December 01, 2023, 09:19:18 AM »
I'm not sure that $2M quarterbacks are sustainable.  This is still the early days of NIL.  There are inevitably going to be some busts, and when millionaire donors see their money falling to waste, they're going to re-think the ROI.

But for now, yes, as expected and as predicted-- Wild Wild West.
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #507 on: December 01, 2023, 09:22:45 AM »
I don't know if these donors expect any ROI on individuals, if they have any sense they know about busts.  But you line up 2-3 very good QBs and one will probably work out.

It's like venture capital, you may have 9 busts and one win, and the win is 1000X.

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #508 on: December 01, 2023, 09:45:12 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 01, 2023, 09:22:45 AM
I don't know if these donors expect any ROI on individuals, if they have any sense they know about busts.  But you line up 2-3 very good QBs and one will probably work out.

It's like venture capital, you may have 9 busts and one win, and the win is 1000X.



Yeah but I don't think ANY team is going to have donors willing to invest in an entire portfolio of QBs on the same roster at the same time.  Kind of by nature, the process leaves you putting all your eggs in one basket.  

And if that prospect is a bust, then that money is wasted.  It's not going to take a whole lot of those before the entire circuit calms down.
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #509 on: December 01, 2023, 09:52:23 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 30, 2023, 11:53:53 PM
Grad transfers used to just be fringe guys who wanted to simply find real playing time.  Now it's your team MVP just moving on for money or for no goddamn reason at all.
well, it's certainly not for no goddamn reason at all.
so, it's about the $$$
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #510 on: December 01, 2023, 09:55:05 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 01, 2023, 08:33:10 AM
Moore was pretty bad....did not look like a 5* top 3 player or a guy that will come in and make an impact wherever he goes right away. BUT....true frosh on a bad team...so....who knows. because of his raw arm talent and his 'crootin' profile however....he is an obvious take. but he's no sure thing imo.
1 million instead of 2?
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #511 on: December 01, 2023, 09:59:03 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 01, 2023, 09:19:18 AM
I'm not sure that $2M quarterbacks are sustainable.  This is still the early days of NIL.  There are inevitably going to be some busts, and when millionaire donors see their money falling to waste, they're going to re-think the ROI.
says the guy with some of the craziest and most millionaire donors
these donors have been giving millions per year for decades
now some of the money is just going to the NIL arm of the program instead of straight to the AD
it's very sustainable for the top 10-20 funded programs
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #512 on: December 01, 2023, 10:16:20 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 01, 2023, 09:45:12 AM
Yeah but I don't think ANY team is going to have donors willing to invest in an entire portfolio of QBs on the same roster at the same time.  Kind of by nature, the process leaves you putting all your eggs in one basket. 

And if that prospect is a bust, then that money is wasted.  It's not going to take a whole lot of those before the entire circuit calms down.
I dunno... It seems that people who were already rolling out the Brinks trucks to donate LOTS of money to a football team with the only ROI being seeing their alma mater be successful in a game...

...might not be making these decisions on a purely economic basis.
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #513 on: December 01, 2023, 10:18:30 AM »
I fear the NIL thing will grow not shrink to sanity.  If I'm a true billionaire, I'd invest millions in NIL for my team without much of a thought.  Maybe I have five car dealerships anyway and hotels and restaurants in the area, maybe not.

Maybe a few of them get burned a bit and settle back some, to be replaced by more willing to throw money away.  

I ponder myself how I used to fret of one dollar at times, and now it means nothing to me.  Some of that is inflation, but most is my situation.  My wife still makes fun of how often I buy stuff on sale at kroger.  It's stuff we need anyway.

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #514 on: December 01, 2023, 10:36:15 AM »
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #515 on: December 01, 2023, 12:34:44 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on December 01, 2023, 10:16:20 AM
I dunno... It seems that people who were already rolling out the Brinks trucks to donate LOTS of money to a football team with the only ROI being seeing their alma mater be successful in a game...

...might not be making these decisions on a purely economic basis.
Right, ROI is measured in winning championships.  Keep spending $2M per year on QBs that fail to win championships, and the money will slow down.
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #516 on: December 01, 2023, 12:36:41 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 01, 2023, 10:18:30 AM
I fear the NIL thing will grow not shrink to sanity.  If I'm a true billionaire, I'd invest millions in NIL for my team without much of a thought.  Maybe I have five car dealerships anyway and hotels and restaurants in the area, maybe not.

Maybe a few of them get burned a bit and settle back some, to be replaced by more willing to throw money away. 

I ponder myself how I used to fret of one dollar at times, and now it means nothing to me.  Some of that is inflation, but most is my situation.  My wife still makes fun of how often I buy stuff on sale at kroger.  It's stuff we need anyway.



Billionaires have had the capability to do this for years, and they still don't.  They spend their money how they choose.  Michael Dell doesn't spend a dime on UT athletics, instead he builds state-of-the-art hospitals and creates medical research branches.  Red McCombs gave $50M to the business school, and only a million here and there to the athletic department.
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #517 on: December 01, 2023, 12:54:24 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 01, 2023, 12:34:44 PM
Right, ROI is measured in winning championships.  Keep spending $2M per year on QBs that fail to win championships, and the money will slow down.
On what timeline? 

How much money have boosters given to Texas over the last 18 years (the amount of time since their last championship)? How much has that flow seemed to slow down between 2005 and now? Prior to that their last championship was 1970. 35 years without a natty and they were still one of the richest programs in CFB. Seems like the ROI hasn't been that great. One championship in the last 53 years, and that one is almost two decades stale.

You're right that the ROI is on-field success. But in some ways it's like buying a lotto ticket... I don't regularly buy lotto tickets, but when I do I'm buying a dream--until those numbers are drawn I *might* be a millionaire. And the important thing is that when I do it, I recognize that it's absolutely throwaway money that I can afford to lose buying that dream. I know it's a bad bet with nearly zero likelihood of payoff, but I'm willing to make that bet every once in a while because losing doesn't materially harm me but winning would. 

I have to think a lot of the people that are throwing money into athletic donations or NIL collectives are not choosing between that and making their mortgage. It's throwaway money on a dream, that may take a decade or two to pay off, but culminates in cheering on their team as they win a national championship game.

It's done out of emotion rather than economic calculation. As long as they believe that it *can* pay off, they're living the dream that it will one day. 
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