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Yeah, his schtick is to be condescending as Hell, and then play the victim if he gets any push back. Classic case of a poster who can dish it, but can't take it.

I can't take push back that's based on almost zero support or evidence.  I get pissy when I provide such things and it's combated with a virtual "nuh uh, traditional thinking says otherwise" - which is horse crap.


Validity is rare here.  I try to provide it and it's just tossed aside because....reasons.

I hope Minnesota winds up with a great season.  It's been awhile.  Every program should have its day in the sun every so often.  Oregon State went 11-1 in 2000.  Vandy had consecutive 9-win seasons a few years ago.  Wake Forest was in the Orange Bowl in 2006.  



These are good things.

I can't take push back that's based on almost zero support or evidence.  I get pissy when I provide such things and it's combated with a virtual "nuh uh, traditional thinking says otherwise" - which is horse crap.


Validity is rare here.  I try to provide it and it's just tossed aside because....reasons.

Your reasoning isn't any more spot on than his you frequantly present opinion as fact or correct.If it's usually combated with a  combined "nuh uh" well that says something.Validty is rare because you say it is,right.And we know your views are not to be misconstrued with the misguided proletariat rabble represented here.As Fearless said " you're trying to explain something that has no explanation" or just opinion

One could argue USC is the only helmet team west of the Rockies.

i will argue that point

Back to the subject at hand, which was . . .  ah . . . .

Anyway, CBS' Tom Fornelli says that #4 Georgia is overrated, #10 Oklahoma is underrated, #14 Wisconsin is overrated, and #20 Iowa is overrated.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-playoff-rankings-reactions-georgia-overrated-oklahoma-underrated/

Of course, one might ask WTH Tom Fornelli's opinion is worth.

My only complaint about where Oklahoma is ranked is that the Sooners should be ahead of Utah.  Utah has no good wins and a loss at home to a USC team that is probably no better than--if even as good as--the K-State that beat OU in Manhattan.  Oregon has a better loss than OU does, but no better wins.  So one could make a case either way for how those two should be ranked, but there shouldn't be any way that Utah should be ahead of either one of them.

(IMO, Minnesota should be ranked ahead of Utah too.)

I can't say that the Committee is devaluing the Big 12, as there are currently 5 Big 12 teams (half the misnamed conference) in the rankings.  But one could make a case that Baylor is ranked too low at #13, right behind 2-loss Auburn.  But I think a better comparison is Baylor and 1-loss Alabama.  Bama has no particularly good wins--the one over 3-loss Texas A&M is the best.  Baylor has no particularly good wins either, but it has two decent ones, at 3-loss fOSU and at 3-loss K-State.  But what it doesn't have is a loss to LSU.

If Baylor wins out, it will have two victories over OU and a win over Texas in addition to what it's got now.  And it will have virtually no way of getting into the CFP because there are too many teams ahead of it who perhaps are ranked higher than they should be.

The counterargument is that Baylor could and maybe should have some losses already.  Only gross official malfeasance saved the Bears from a loss to Texas Tech.  Baylor had to kick a 38-yard FG with 21 seconds left in the game to beat Iowa State, and blocked a late FG to beat WVU.

It's possible that Baylor and Alabama could meet in the Sugar Bowl.  Of course, if Baylor happened to win it might be because Bama wasn't interested in the game.  I would bet on Bama to beat Baylor straight-up by quite a bit on a neutral field, but the games don't always turn out the way people bet.

I think how we judge whether or not good football is being played is based on what our expectations of the team were before the season.  You mentioned you’ve seen previous Texas teams with similar records that you enjoyed watching but this year’s version is tough.  I’d bet those previous Texas teams weren’t preseason top 10.

Probably not, not sure we've started Top 10 since 2010, but that doesn't change at all the product on the field.  There's only so much Keystone Cops you can view on defense and special teams before the skit gets old and un-funny.


Also, USC is definitely the only helmet west of the Rockies and, as medina pointed out, really the only one west of Lincoln/Norman/Austin.

Validity is rare here.  I try to provide it and it's just tossed aside because....reasons.

Validity is also rare within the AP Poll, the Coaches Poll, and the Committee's Poll

if this was the final poll, all those polls would be much different
unfortunately, the voters all "think" they know Minnesota and Baylor will lose in the coming weeks

projected losses are part of the resume for them

but, educated fans such as the folks here simply argue past wins and losses