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Topic: 100 RBs who had lots of carries and didn't stink

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #196 on: March 26, 2020, 11:57:54 AM »
Among recent players:
David Wilson, RB, Va Tech is the 1st rounder with the fewest rushing yardage.  
Drafted in 2012 by NYG, he's only gained 504 career yards.
Ouch.
But he was the last pick of Round 1.
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The worst top 10 pick is Richardson from Alabama.
Drafted in 2012 as well, he's gained 2,032 career yards.  
#3 pick in the draft.  
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #197 on: March 26, 2020, 12:06:19 PM »
Top 10 RBs drafted by year, with career yds + TDs:
Pick - Name - Yds - TDs
1980
1 - Billy Sims - 5100 - 42
5 - Curtis Dickey - 4000 - 32
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1981
1 - George Rogers - 7200 - 54
3 - Freeman McNeil - 8100 - 38
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1982
7 - Darrin Nelson - 4400 - 18
9 - Gerald Riggs - 8200 - 69
10 - Marcus Allen - 12200 - 123
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1983
2 - Eric Dickerson - 13300 - 90
3 - Curt Warner - 6800 - 56
8 - Michael Maddix - 1600 - 3
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1984
None
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1985
None
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1986
1 - Bo Jackson - 2800 - 16 (none for TB)
10 - Keith Byars - 3100 - 23
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1987
3 - Alonzo Highsmith - 1200 - 7
4 - Brent Fullwood - 1700 - 18
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1988
None
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1989
3 - Barry Sanders - 15300 - 99
7 - Tim Worley - 1800 - 8
9 - Sammie Smith - 1900 - 15
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #198 on: March 26, 2020, 12:11:15 PM »
1990
2 - Blair Thomas - 2200 - 7
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1991
None
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1992
9 - Tommy Vandell - 1400 - 18
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1993
3 - Garrison Hearst - 8000 - 30
10 - Jerome Bettis - 13700 - 91
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1994
2 - Marshall Faulk - 12300 - 100
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1995
None
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1996
6 - Lawrence Phillips - 1500 - 14
8 - Tim Biakabutuka - 2500 - 14
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1997
None
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1998
5 - Curtis Enis - 1500 - 4
9 - Fred Taylor - 11700 - 66
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1999
4 - Edgerrin James - 12200 - 80
5 - Ricky Williams - 10000 - 66
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #199 on: March 26, 2020, 12:19:03 PM »
2000
5 - Jamal Lewis - 10600 - 58
7 - Thomas Jones - 10600 - 68
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2001
5 - LaDanian Tomlinson - 13700 - 145
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2002
None
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2003
None
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2004
None
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2005
2 - Ronnie Brown - 5400 - 38
4 - Cedric Benson - 6000 - 32
5 - Cadillac Williams - 4000 - 21
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2006
2 - Reggie Bush - 5500 - 36
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2007
7 - Adrian Peterson - 14200 - 111
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2008
4 - Darren McFadden - 5400 - 28
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2009
None
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #200 on: March 26, 2020, 01:30:46 PM »
The Dophins took Ronnie Brown with the #2 pick.  He had one 1,000 yard season. 
He wasn't bad, but you're expecting more than that with the #2 pick.
This and the ensuing list of backs kinda locks it in for me ... you should basically expect Ronnie Brown or Reggie Bush with the No. 2 picks. 

I looked at all of them from 2001-2017 (Saquan should be good, but it's so early with a running back). You had three HOFers and Ndamukong Suh as your next best player. 

But of the 17, eight are as follows. Robert Gallary, Marcus Mariota, Greg Robinson, Robert Griffin III, Trubisky, Charles Rogers, Luke Joeckel,Jason Smith.

So with the No. 2 pick in the draft, across 17 years, you're at a 47 percent chance of drafting Robert Gallery or a player worst than him. What I'm saying is, expect nothing.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #201 on: March 26, 2020, 01:34:42 PM »
It's interesting the CFB players get so much analysis and attention and one expects experts looking at them, versus HS players who get 3-4-5 stars based on, well, usually a rather scanty review by somebody (unless they are elite players).  And both have misfires fairly often.  I'd expect the NFL boys to have fewer, but perhaps they have about the same as we see 5 star players not doing much.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #202 on: March 26, 2020, 02:51:54 PM »
Among recent players:
David Wilson, RB, Va Tech is the 1st rounder with the fewest rushing yardage. 
Drafted in 2012 by NYG, he's only gained 504 career yards.
Ouch.
But he was the last pick of Round 1.
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The worst top 10 pick is Richardson from Alabama.
Drafted in 2012 as well, he's gained 2,032 career yards. 
#3 pick in the draft. 
Wilson - career ending spinal injury
Richardson - bust
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #203 on: March 26, 2020, 05:07:52 PM »
Here are a couple of good candidates.

1983
8 - Michael Maddix - 1600 - 3

1998
5 - Curtis Enis - 1500 - 4
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #204 on: March 26, 2020, 06:35:37 PM »
So with the No. 2 pick in the draft, across 17 years, you're at a 47 percent chance of drafting Robert Gallery or a player worst than him. What I'm saying is, expect nothing.
I look at it a different way...

If you have the #2 pick in the draft, you have a sh!tty football team. That's how you got the #2 pick.

Now, for some teams it's a down year in a good organization. For other teams (I'm looking at you, Cleveland) it's a consistently terrible management structure that produces perennially bad teams.

So if you've got the #2 pick and you're a bad football team with bad management, what are the odds that you're going to ruin your draft pick? Probably higher than one would think...

I'll bet if you look at #30-32 picks you'll see a lot of successes. Because they're being drafted by competent management in successful organizations and given every opportunity to succeed. 

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #205 on: March 26, 2020, 06:43:23 PM »
Good point, I used to live in Cincy.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #206 on: March 26, 2020, 06:55:13 PM »
good point, the LA Rams ruined Lawrence Phillips

he was a very productive back at UNL - when he was on the field
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #207 on: March 26, 2020, 07:22:08 PM »
They also ditched Bettis to draft a RB (Phillips).  He would go on to rush for 10,500 more yards and 78 TDs for PIT.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #208 on: March 26, 2020, 07:26:33 PM »
good point, the LA Rams ruined Lawrence Phillips

he was a very productive back at UNL - when he was on the field
Lawrence Phillips ruined Lawrence Phillips. He was enabled at UNL. That didn't help him either. But, MNC's.


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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #209 on: March 26, 2020, 08:15:35 PM »
I look at it a different way...

If you have the #2 pick in the draft, you have a sh!tty football team. That's how you got the #2 pick.

Now, for some teams it's a down year in a good organization. For other teams (I'm looking at you, Cleveland) it's a consistently terrible management structure that produces perennially bad teams.

So if you've got the #2 pick and you're a bad football team with bad management, what are the odds that you're going to ruin your draft pick? Probably higher than one would think...

I'll bet if you look at #30-32 picks you'll see a lot of successes. Because they're being drafted by competent management in successful organizations and given every opportunity to succeed.
I like this as a novel theory. But I see a couple issues. 
1. A lot of those bad ones didn't even get fourth-year (or is it fifth-year?) options picked up. Basically, a lot of these teams ruined guys so badly, they didn't even want to deal with a sunk cost.
2. If that was the case, I'd imagine we'd see some reclamation projects. And in truth, we usually don't.


I like the 30-32 idea, and I found a site that tracks such things. From the same span of years, 2001-2017 here's each:
30: T.J. Watt, Vernon Butler, Damarious Randall, Jimmie Ward, Alec Ogletree, A.J. Jenkins, Muhammad Wilkerson, Jahvid Best, Kenny Britt,Dustin Keller, Craig Davis, Joseph Addai, Heath Miller, Kevin Jones, Sammy Davis, Kendall Simmons, Reggie Wayne
31: Reuben Foster, Germain Ifedi, Stephone Anthony, Travis Frederick, Doug Martin, Cam Hayward, Jerry Hughes, Beanie Wells, Kenny Phillips, Greg Olson, Kelly Jennings, Mike Patterson, Rashaun Woods, Nnamdi Asomugha, Robert Thomas, Todd Heap
32: Ryan Ramczyk, Malcom Brown, Teddy Bridgewater, Matt Elam, Derek Sherrod, Patrick Robinson, Ziggy Hood, Anthony Gonzalez, Mathias Kiwanuka, Logan Mankins, Ben Watson, Tyler Brayton, Patrick Ramsey (only 16 of those as first rounders)

At 30, you have Wayne, Watt, Miller, Wilkerson I guess. So you're still at like 60 percent of Joseph Addai, Dustin Keller or worse.
At 31, Hayward, Fredrick, Olson, Heap were good. I have no good read on Asomugha. Hughes was decent, same with Jennings, Patterson
At 32, In the good category, Ramczyk, Mankins, kinda Ben Watson Solid: Brown, Patrick Robinson, kinda Bridgewater. So a QB who was healthy for two years make the top half with ease. 

Basically, no matter where you take someone, there's a better than half chance they bust and a 80 percent chance they at least disappoint your expectations. 

 

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