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Topic: 100 RBs who had lots of carries and didn't stink

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #182 on: March 24, 2020, 07:17:43 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 24, 2020, 06:25:54 PM
Take your pick:
  • Fournette is solid.
  • Gordon has been great behind a sh!t o-line.
  • Moreno was okay.
  • McFadden didn't look as good against NFL defenses as against college defenses, but had a good career.
  • Reggie Bush has a very solid NFL career. 


Some of the others I don't really recall; maybe they were before I really followed CFB.

I do think that a lot of great talent ends up getting wasted behind crap offensive lines. And this leads to a lot of average RBs looking amazing when they play for blue-chip teams who have a huge talent advantage at OL, and then suddenly look pedestrian when they're on NFL teams with parity at all positions.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #183 on: March 24, 2020, 07:25:28 PM »
The list was guys who didn't live up to being a top 10 pick.  You don't draft a RB 4th and hope he rushes for 3,000 career yards.
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Fournette wasn't drafted with the Jags hoping for 4.0 yards per carry and 800 per season.  Not with the 4th pick.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #184 on: March 24, 2020, 07:53:03 PM »
Oh, sorry, I had posted different criteria than not living up to their draft pick.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #185 on: March 24, 2020, 08:03:52 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 24, 2020, 07:25:28 PM
The list was guys who didn't live up to being a top 10 pick.  You don't draft a RB 4th and hope he rushes for 3,000 career yards.
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Fournette wasn't drafted with the Jags hoping for 4.0 yards per carry and 800 per season.  Not with the 4th pick.
Well, Fournette has disappointed more due to injury than anything. He's been fine when healthy. 

But again, look at usage. The Jags offense is running the RB into the middle of the line to set up the play-action pass and throw it downfield. If you want to measure Fournette on ypc you're not looking at his worth to the offense. 

Same with Melvin Gordon. His ypc has been lackluster throughout his time with the Chargers, but I really don't think that's due to a lack of talent. It's due to a lack of OL in front of him and unimaginative playcalling. 
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #186 on: March 24, 2020, 08:28:08 PM »
There's probably over a dozen legit reasons why any player's NFL career isn't above average, but I also don't think the reasons matter.  Either they perform or they don't.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #187 on: March 24, 2020, 09:05:43 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 24, 2020, 07:25:28 PM
The list was guys who didn't live up to being a top 10 pick.  You don't draft a RB 4th and hope he rushes for 3,000 career yards.
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Fournette wasn't drafted with the Jags hoping for 4.0 yards per carry and 800 per season.  Not with the 4th pick.
A bunch of those guys weren't top-10 picks. 

But I wanted to zone in on the word hoping. The thing about first-round and top 10 picks is that the hope wildly outstrips the reality. When if comes to that pick, no one is good at saying "this is what I can reasonably expect."

Fournette is probably a few ticks below average for that spot. (It's also interesting because I can't recall what his expectations were. I thought everyone saw him picked, said "that's too high and Jacksonville will ruin him," and then that all happened)
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #188 on: March 24, 2020, 09:06:09 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 24, 2020, 07:53:03 PM
Oh, sorry, I had posted different criteria than not living up to their draft pick.
I was just going to point that out.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #189 on: March 24, 2020, 09:28:14 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 24, 2020, 01:07:14 PM
Yeah, I guess, I can't evaluate a college career without thinking about their NFL performance.
the only thing related to the NFL that I evaluate is their NFL draft position
that is related to their college performance

NFL potential is based on college potential and measurables at the NFL combine
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #190 on: March 24, 2020, 11:33:55 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 24, 2020, 07:53:03 PM
Oh, sorry, I had posted different criteria than not living up to their draft pick.
I was just doing the legwork of giving you choices.  
It's amazing how often the person making an effort gets the complaints.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #191 on: March 25, 2020, 08:19:54 AM »
I'd opine the "best college RB" who had a poor NFL career would be a top ten draft pick and produced little in the league for reasons other than injury.

There would be only one of them.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #192 on: March 25, 2020, 11:06:51 AM »
Lawrence Phillips??

#6 pick by the Rams - 2 seasons in the NFL - less than 3.5 yards per carry - less than 1300 yards total
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #193 on: March 25, 2020, 11:09:21 AM »
Sounds like a strong candidate.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #194 on: March 25, 2020, 01:34:01 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 25, 2020, 11:06:51 AM
Lawrence Phillips??

#6 pick by the Rams - 2 seasons in the NFL - less than 3.5 yards per carry - less than 1300 yards total
He's up there. It's interesting when you have the split of someone like him, who just couldn't hold his shit together as compared to someone who got to the league just wasn't that good. 
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #195 on: March 26, 2020, 11:52:20 AM »
The Dophins took Ronnie Brown with the #2 pick.  He had one 1,000 yard season.  
He wasn't bad, but you're expecting more than that with the #2 pick.
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