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Topic: 100 RBs who had lots of carries and didn't stink

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #140 on: March 14, 2020, 11:27:52 AM »
Playing conditions, however they play.  I doubt OLs change all that much, knee braces aside.  Mebbe.  

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #141 on: March 14, 2020, 11:28:34 AM »
You get a little guy like say Mecole Hardman who runs a fast 40 in shorts and running shoes and maybe he drops back to the pack in playing conditions.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #142 on: March 14, 2020, 01:01:08 PM »
then you have to define full pads

do olinemen wear knee braces?
OL shouldn't run the 40 to begin with.  Totally useless information.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #143 on: March 14, 2020, 01:04:42 PM »
There is also speed in pads and gear, which can be different, as a smaller guy will slow down more than a larger guy.

They should run the 40 in full pads.
Yes, they should.
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But the speed-in-pads thing isn't just about weight ratio, it's about feel.  Some guys hate that cleats are heavier than running shoes and can't deal with it.  Some never get used to looking through a facemask.  I could always tell the guys who it bothered most by how they looked out of their facemask - if they tilted their head back to look out below it, they weren't comfortable.  Also, the pants and leg pads affect people differently, in terms of comfort and restriction.  Every season in HS, it took me 2-3 practices in full gear to get comfortable and fully functional.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #144 on: March 14, 2020, 07:44:05 PM »
OL shouldn't run the 40 to begin with.  Totally useless information.
Agreed. 10 yd split is only useful thing for oline from the 40. 

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #145 on: March 15, 2020, 10:22:17 AM »
I agree, but 40 time is an indicator of athleticism 
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #146 on: March 15, 2020, 11:11:49 AM »
I agree, but 40 time is an indicator of athleticism
Yes, and they do other measurements as well that are not as often cited, like vertical jump.

My GUESS is the pros don't care much about the 40 times unless someone turns in something very unexpected, or there is concern about some player's speed and he does just fine (Nick Chubb for example).

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #147 on: March 15, 2020, 12:21:13 PM »
Top 10 All-Time NFL Career Rushers:
Emmitt Smith
Walter Payton
Frank Gore
Barry Sanders
Adrian Peterson
Curtis Martin
LaDanian Tomlinson
Jerome Bettis
Eric Dickerson
Tony Dorsett
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In bold were guys who no one would describe as fast.  Gore was probably fast at Miami, before he hurt his knee.  Peterson is fast for his size.  Bettis was big.  But speed is non-essential to being an all-time great RB.  Why they have offensive linemen bother with it, I'll never know.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #148 on: March 15, 2020, 12:28:00 PM »
Next 10:
Jim Brown
Marshall Faulk
Edgerrin James
Marcus Allen
Franco Harris
Thurman Thomas
Fred Taylor
Steven Jackson
John Riggins
Corey Dillon
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Hell, even fewer here were fast.  James was fast until he hurt his knee 3 years in.  40 times are a tradition, nothing more. if it was important, the Raiders would be the Patriots.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #149 on: March 15, 2020, 01:56:09 PM »
If you OLs are equal in all respects and one is faster, he's going to be better able to pull, I think, and perhaps step out to meet that outside rush.

But if he's faster, he's not equal of course.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #150 on: March 15, 2020, 09:51:04 PM »
I have only gotten to page 4, so I'm posting this without the knowledge of how you have used ypc and receiving yardage to adjust the original list.

But at least in the case of OU's running backs, I think your original list is off.

Here are OU's career leaders in rushing yardage.

Player   Posn   Yrs   Yds   Carries   TDs   Ypc   100yds   200yds
1.Samaje PerineRB2014-164,122685496.02156
2.Billy SimsRB1975-794,118593536.94207
3.Joe WashingtonRB1972-754,071675396.03191
4.Adrian PetersonRB2004-064,045747415.41226
5.Steve OwensRB1967-694,041958574.22233
6.Quentin GriffinRB1999-023,938744445.29164
7.DeMarco MurrayRB2006-103,685759504.86131


But you've got them in this order on your initial list.
66. Perine
77. Peterson
84. Washington
93. Owens
112. Sims
116. Griffin
Other notables. Murray

Sims, Washington, Peterson, and Owens are all out of order if you are talking in terms of career rushing yardage, which you posted that you were at that point.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #151 on: March 15, 2020, 10:05:21 PM »
I think the discrepancy is due to including bowl yardage vs not including it.  Which is dumb.  The NCAA is lazy and stupid.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #152 on: March 15, 2020, 10:46:23 PM »
Hmmm.

Perine played in bowl games all three years he played, 2014-16.
Peterson played in bowl games all three years he played, 2004-06.  I think.
Washington only played in a bowl game his freshman year, 1972.  EDIT: Correction, he also played in the Orange Bowl vs. Michigan after his senior year.
Owens only played in bowl games his sophomore and junior years, 1967-68.
Sims probably played in four bowl games, 1975, '77-79.
Griffin played in three bowl games, 2000-02.
Murray played in four bowl games, 2006-10.

I think that wishbone halfbacks get undervalued in your ranking system because they tended to get fewer carries than the tailback in an I-formation offense or the running back in a pro-style 2-back offense.  I'm just noting that.  There's nothing you can or should do to "fix" that.

I agree with you on the NCAA and bowl stats.  If they are going to count them, and I think they should, they should retroactively count bowl-game yardage of the modern era.  It might not be possible to get individual stats of the 1946 (season) Harbor Bowl, but Barry Sanders' stats from the 1988 Holiday Bowl are easily retrievable.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #153 on: March 15, 2020, 10:58:54 PM »
Tom Osborne thought Billy Sims got way too many carries
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