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Topic: SI All-time College Football Team

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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2023, 07:49:10 AM »
The best running back to ever play at RBU is on my all-time team.

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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2023, 08:06:29 AM »
It took 35 years for a RB to have a 3-year career to rival Herschel's.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2023, 08:15:40 AM »
Guys you could defensibly put on the all-time team:
Jonathan Taylor
Eric Berry
Terrell Suggs
Sean Taylor
Johnny Manziel
Dre Bly
Peter Boulware
Patrick Willis
Baker Mayfield
for lower-level WR:  Troy Edwards > Jerry Rice
Bryce Love
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Only 3 players have multiple 1900 yard rushing seasons.  DeAngelo Williams had 2 at Memphis (vs a Memphis schedule).  Troy Davis had 2 at ISU.  The other?
Jonathan Taylor.  3 such seasons.  Only two other dudes in history have 2 (1 vs G5 schedule) and Taylor has 3. 
That's nuts.
Also nuts:  none of those seasons earned a Heisman.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2023, 08:54:59 AM »
People were dumb in the early 80s.
See:  RP Willie Hernandez winning the Cy Young and MVP in 1984.  Brutal.
1984 was particularly dumb
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2023, 09:36:32 AM »
No running back will ever win the Heisman, in my opinion. Taylor was generational. He deserved to win one or three.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2023, 12:39:33 PM »
Yes, but he got stuffed by OSU twice in their 3 games, and lost all 3.  Wisconsin lost every big game Taylor played in.  
I think it's stupid - team results heavily influencing an individual award.  
But if he went crazy and Wisconsin won the B1G, he'd probably have won a Heisman.

Stupid voters, though.  Limited sheep.  
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #62 on: December 28, 2023, 01:09:27 PM »
FWIW (nothing), I feel like lists like these need to completely set aside pro careers. For instance, as noted above, I don't know how Jerry Rice makes this list. So the best arguments will come for players who were starters for three or even four years. Barry Sanders is one of the greatest RBs of all time, but did he do enough as a college player to be on the college list? Weighting the number of years played benefits the older guys because the best players don't stick around anymore.

With that in mind, where are our OSU fans arguing for Archie Griffen?

Saban over either Rockne or Bryant. I argue that Saban is clearly the GOAT of college football coaches. Sure, we're nostalgic, but Saban's accomplishments are insane given the current state of the game.

What about Vince Young as a college QB? (Not in place of Tebow, I don't think, but with as many RBs as are on this list, how about a two-deep at QB?

I agree that JT was the best back to play at Wisconsin, but as far as college careers go, was his better than Dayne's? Would I take either of them over Jim Brown? (No.)

And yeah, I have no idea how to evaluate Glenn Davis. Best player on the best team? Yes. Playing during an unusually skewed era (the war years)? Yes. Playing in a completely different environment than today's game. Were his--not his team's--collegiate accomplishments better than Archie Griffin's, or Ricky Williams', or ...

My list would definitely skew more modern, with an old-timers' list that probably cuts off in the 1950s or so. Once you get to a Jim Brown, Alan Page, Lynn Swan, Butkus, etc., those guys feel like they could be modern football players. (Yes, they would have to be bigger and faster, but the game feels a lot closer than what was happening in the Glenn Davis era).


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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #63 on: December 28, 2023, 01:55:43 PM »
Yeah, it's an interesting conversation.

If other modern RBs' careers don't add up to Dayne's, how does Jim Brown's? 

But yes, one of my biggest frustrations with these debates/convos is the vast majority of people being utterly incapable of divorcing pro production with college.

It's not that hard. 
Hell, I could make the case that Jim Brown would be a random dude lost to time if he hadn't dominated the NFL for a decade.
Tell me about Bob Anderson. 
Who?
He's some RB for Army in 1957 whose stats dwarfed the Heisman winner's that year.  No outrage that he didn't win it or finish higher.  No all-time teams.  No nothing.

WWII Army teams were stacked.  Of course.  But I look at them like the 13-0 team with a weak schedule......they MAY be all-time great, but we don't KNOW, because of a lack of challenges.
So a great player on a stacked team would have to have crazy stats, like 10 yards per carry or something insane like that.
Glenn Davis did that in '44 and '45.  So while we don't KNOW he was an all-time great, he did what an all-time great would do in his situation.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #64 on: December 28, 2023, 02:43:42 PM »
FWIW (nothing), I feel like lists like these need to completely set aside pro careers. For instance, as noted above, I don't know how Jerry Rice makes this list. So the best arguments will come for players who were starters for three or even four years. Barry Sanders is one of the greatest RBs of all time, but did he do enough as a college player to be on the college list? Weighting the number of years played benefits the older guys because the best players don't stick around anymore.

Most receptions, game
FCS: 24 – Chas Gessner, Brown vs. Rhode Island, Oct. 5, 2002; Jerry Rice, Mississippi Valley vs. Southern, Oct. 1, 1983

Highest receiving yards per game, season
FCS: 168.2 – Jerry Rice, Mississippi Valley, 1984

Most receiving touchdowns, season
FCS: 27 – Jerry Rice, Mississippi Valley, 1984

Records that still stand after 40 years and a couple more that may have been taken recently by Cooper Kupp in 2016
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #65 on: December 28, 2023, 02:59:53 PM »
FCS.

Put Walter Payton in too while yer at it.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #66 on: December 28, 2023, 03:10:06 PM »
I agree that JT was the best back to play at Wisconsin, but as far as college careers go, was his better than Dayne's? Would I take either of them over Jim Brown? (No.)
the old question for all-time great......
greatest single season or greatest career?
I can't just eliminate a Barry Sanders because he only started one season. Thurman Thomas on one end and the NFL on the other end.
some of the greatest RBs played at places like Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Ohio St., Nebraska that had rosters stacked with 4 or 5 or 6 GREAT players. no scholarship limits.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #67 on: December 28, 2023, 03:14:37 PM »
FCS.

Put Walter Payton in too while yer at it.
don't see his name on the all-time records list, but he was a few years back
Here's one from a long time ago.....

Highest average rushing yards per game, career (minimum 2,500 yards)
FBS: 174.6 – Ed Marinaro, Cornell, 1969–71, 4,715 yards in 27 games[10]

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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #68 on: December 28, 2023, 03:36:00 PM »
don't see his name on the all-time records list, but he was a few years back
Here's one from a long time ago.....

Highest average rushing yards per game, career (minimum 2,500 yards)
FBS: 174.6 – Ed Marinaro, Cornell, 1969–71, 4,715 yards in 27 games[10]


Walter played RB, LB, KR and PK for Jackson State.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #69 on: December 28, 2023, 03:52:38 PM »
We don't have to eliminate a Barry Sanders.  We are comparing production x volume.  Take the names out of it.

523 carries for 3,556 yards (6.8 ypc) and 48 TDs
vs
1,115 carries for 6,397 yards (5.7 ypc) and 63 TDs

On a per-carry basis, the first RB is better.  Of course. 
But is he TWICE as good??
With half the carries, wouldn't he need to be twice as good?

If you do side with the first RB, what about this guy?
926 carries for 6,174 yards (6.7 ypc) and 50 TDs

The per-carry difference is negligible and the third RB has far more volume at that rate.
Isn't he better than either of them??

Here is where our eyes deceive us. 
We allow running style to affect our opinions.  If a RB is herky-jerky and entertaining and runs in a unique way we've never seen (and no coach would ever teach), we deem them 'better,' even if the numbers are comparable.

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