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Topic: Top 100 Players at Each Position

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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #70 on: Today at 07:31:00 AM »
What is "best player" if not what they do?  Does an exciting 3-yard run help more than a boring 5-yard run on 3rd-and-4?
absolutely
thousands of NCAA backs (all) can make a boring 5-yard run on 3rd-and-4?
only the top 100 can make the exciting 3-yard run
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« Reply #71 on: Today at 07:33:50 AM »
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« Reply #72 on: Today at 07:38:21 AM »
So was this.

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« Reply #73 on: Today at 07:39:28 AM »
not many boring 5-yard runs on 3rd-and-4 in those two games
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #74 on: Today at 08:08:50 AM »
Reggie Bush definitely belongs in the very top RBs of all-time convo.
sure in College he was electric also had an NFL team around him and that helped more than a little
Barry Sanders only started 1 year in college but that is the best RB that my eyes have ever seen.

we doing greatest career or just flat out best player at the position? cause none of them are in the same realm as Barry Sanders if we're talking strictly best player.
IYHO, great back,durable,elusive with a great burst and class act for sure. Arguably the most exciting player to watch in NFL history but there are most certainly others just as worthy Lion Fan.Bo,Eric Dickerson, A. Peterson for flat out open field speed.Bo,Brown,Campbell,Beast Mode, when you absolutely needed 1-2yds. Payton for all out everything. Gale Sayers could play in any backfield and seemed to changed directions in mid air then cut when he landed making everyone miss

Sanders played on artificial turf/synthetic grass which enhanched his cutting abilities even more,making him damn near untouchable at times. Eric Metcalf before his injury was damn near untouchable to.If looking just at highlight reels Sanders video stands out. Watching the games however many,many X he went 25yds and ended up where the ball was snapped. Good convo in front of a fireplace on a long winter night
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #75 on: Today at 10:29:30 AM »
There's no doubt Sanders had the best single season for a RB in college football history.  But those 344 carries are doing A LOT of work on his behalf.

No one would argue he had the best college career, so then it sort of becomes a sample-size thing, no? 
I know he was exciting and amazing and had all the highlight runs, but no one would teach a RB to run that way, lol.  And as Sanders' single-season makes him stand out, dozens of guys had better ypc averages in fewer carries, just as Sanders does compared to all-time great RB careers. 

So does Sanders get the halo effect because 344 carries is a magic number between "not enough" carries and a healthy career's worth?  Or is it because of his running style?  If it's the latter, I find that sort of silly. 

Melvin Gordon's worst ypc season was his big one, at 7.5 ypc.  His 631 career carries at a higher ypc than Sanders doesn't make him better because.....he should have juked more?!?  I can't get on board with that, sorry.

OU's Greg Pruitt famously had a 9.4 ypc season on 178 carries.  I guess it gets the "yeah, but" treatment due to the option offense he was in.  But who else averaged 9.4 ypc for a season in that same system?  Or is the argument that 178 carries isn't enough, but 344 is? 

And what seems to be everyone's kryptonite, is Sanders' HOF NFL career the reason no one's college production can measure up to his? 
Poor Felix Jones of Arkansas.  His Thurman Thomas (Darren McFadden) didn't leave, just kept him as a backup, averaging 7.7 ypc on 386 career carries.  He was super fast and shifty...but was never a starter.  Maybe he should have juked more.

How many carries does it take for you to say a guy was "the best"?  344?  1?  100?
Maybe the answer is 1 season.
Of all high-ypc seasons from RBs, what sets Sanders apart is his number of carries.  EVERY RB with a higher ypc for a season has far fewer carries.  Career-wise, this is not the case, but in the 1-season sample, most higher-ypc RBs only have 90-150 carries.  
Bryce Love, Travis Etienne, and a few others have 250 or so, but that's still 100 carries behind Sanders' effort in '88.

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« Reply #76 on: Today at 10:56:35 AM »
top 100 players for a career?
or simply top 100 players?
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« Reply #77 on: Today at 10:58:12 AM »
top 100 players for a career?
or simply top 100 players?
What's the sliding scale?
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« Reply #78 on: Today at 11:30:16 AM »
no scale - if the guy played one game he was a player and in the conversation
In my opinion the greatest can be proven in a few amount of games or carries - quality over quantity
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« Reply #79 on: Today at 11:47:33 AM »
OU's Greg Pruitt famously had a 9.4 ypc season on 178 carries.  I guess it gets the "yeah, but" treatment due to the option offense he was in.  But who else averaged 9.4 ypc for a season in that same system?  Or is the argument that 178 carries isn't enough, but 344 is?
Pruitt was exciting like trying to catch a chipmunk in the woods. Specially when he wore tear away jerseys,NFL (Not For Long) put the keebosh on that. And he played on natural grass in N. Ohio,well mud really after the middle of November
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