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Topic: The Helmets (and near helmets) rolling 10-year winning percentages

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Re: The Helmets (and near helmets) rolling 10-year winning percentages
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2020, 12:28:13 PM »
What is coming up for these teams:

Best is 15-0 in 2020, worst is 0-12 in 2020.  It is flat out amazing that Bama could go winless in 2020 and they would still be over .820 for the decade.  



Best is 30-0 and back-to-back NC's in 2020 and 2021.  Worst is 0-24 in 2020 and 2021.  

Ohio State and Clemson have big upside potential because the two years about to be replaced were not great for them:

  • 2010:  Ohio State was 0-1 (vacated all wins), Clemson was 6-7 (Dabo's third year and the most recent without double-digit wins)
  • 2011:  Ohio State was 6-7 (the year between Tressel and Meyer), Clemson was 10-4


By way of comparison, Bama can't improve as much from their current % because they were already cooking by 2010.  Their two years about to be replaced are:
  • 10-3 in 2010
  • 12-1 in 2011

There isn't much room for Bama to improve.  

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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2020, 12:32:49 PM »
osu's best isn't "the best", but their worst is by far the best. or, another way, their ceiling isn't the tallest (it's certainly up there though), but their floor is by far the highest. they're never bad. and almost always good. sometimes even great, but not quite greatest. or rather, not the greatest as often as others have been, but they've been there. makes for a fairly convincing argument for top program all time, imo.
It all depends on how you view the importance of having "great" times as compared to the importance of avoiding bad times.  If you rank these teams based on their ability to avoid bad times over the past eight or so decades, Ohio State is #1 and it isn't close.  If you rank them based on having great times, the Buckeyes are in the pack but clearly behind Alabama, Oklahoma, and Nebraska.  

I think that is an apples and oranges comparison.  

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Re: The Helmets (and near helmets) rolling 10-year winning percentages
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2020, 12:49:56 PM »
The best worst decade obviously is remarkable give how much different it is from anyone else.  The best decades of teams are much closer.

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« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2020, 02:03:35 PM »
It all depends on how you view the importance of having "great" times as compared to the importance of avoiding bad times.  If you rank these teams based on their ability to avoid bad times over the past eight or so decades, Ohio State is #1 and it isn't close.  If you rank them based on having great times, the Buckeyes are in the pack but clearly behind Alabama, Oklahoma, and Nebraska. 

I think that is an apples and oranges comparison. 
very true.  example, after Devaney's back to back, the Huskers from 72 to 93 were always very good, but not great times with regard to the MNC.

now, if they could have sprinkled in a few MNCs, say in 78 when they finally beat the Sooners, or 1983 with the 2-point conversion, or 89.  Then you don't need the fantastic run in the 90's.
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Re: The Helmets (and near helmets) rolling 10-year winning percentages
« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2020, 02:27:12 PM »
I was musing about the most famous thing about each Blue Blood, off the top of my head:

USC - the song girls
ND - Rudy?  Not really.  TD Jesus?  The Cathedral that burned?  Knute?  Is that a common name?
Texas - Bevo?  Darryl?
Oklahoma - 47 in a row
Alabama - 947 national championships claimed, and a quite a few real.
Ohio State - consistency
Nebraska - great fans, 1995
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Penn State - Joe Pa
Tennessee - Neyland
Florida - SOS
UGA - UGA
LSU - Death Valley
Auburn - War Damn Eagle
Clemson - Death Valley
Eastern Michigan - no idea


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Re: The Helmets (and near helmets) rolling 10-year winning percentages
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2020, 03:11:20 PM »
It all depends on how you view the importance of having "great" times as compared to the importance of avoiding bad times.  If you rank these teams based on their ability to avoid bad times over the past eight or so decades, Ohio State is #1 and it isn't close.  If you rank them based on having great times, the Buckeyes are in the pack but clearly behind Alabama, Oklahoma, and Nebraska. 

I think that is an apples and oranges comparison. 
that's a great way to put it and agreed.

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« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2020, 04:31:43 PM »
Note that we have never seen two teams over .900 at the same time but we are REALLY close to three of them now and, at least theoretically, two or even all three could get there in the next two years:

  • .9083, Ohio State is 99-10 over the eight years from 2012-2019
  • .9027, Bama is 102-11 over the eight years from 2012-2019
  • .8938, Clemson is 101-12 over the eight years from 2012-2019

What each would need to do over the next two years to hit at least .900 for 2012-2021:
Ohio State:
The Buckeyes will make it if they lose three or less games over the next two years.  27-4 over the next two years would get the Buckeyes to exactly .900 at 126-14 but that would take 31 games which isn't possible on the existing schedule.  At this point the max per year is 15 (12 scheduled, CCG, CFP semi-final, CFP Championship).  Assuming a maximum of 30 games, the Buckeyes would have to lose three or less games over the next two years.  The number of wins, as a practical matter, does not matter.  If the Buckeyes went 27-3 in 30 games (2 B1GCG appearances, 2 CFPCG appearances) they would be 126-13 or .9065.  If they managed to miss the B1GCG and the CFPCG both years and only played 26 games with three losses that would get them to 122-13 or .9037.  

Bama:
The Tide will make it if they lose three or less games over the next two years provided that they make at least one SECCG or CFPCG appearance*.  24-3 over the next two years would get the Tide to exactly .900 at 126-14 in 27 games which works mathematically (24 scheduled plus at least two CFP/bowl games plus one either SECCG or CFPCG).  27-3 (two SECCG's, two CFPCG's) would get them to 129-14 or .9021.  If they somehow managed to miss the SECCG and CFPCG both years and only played 26 games with three losses that would be just short.  

Clemson:
The Tigers will make if if they lose two or less games over the next two years provided that they make at least one ACCCG or CFPCG appearance*.  28-2 (two ACCCG's, two CFPCG's) would get them to 129-14 or .9021 while 25-2 (only one combined ACCCG or CFPCG appearance) would get them to 126-14 or .9000.  

*This is because 23-3 for Bama or 24-2 for Clemson would get them to 125-14 or .8993, just short.  Thus, if Bama lost only three games the next two years but missed both SECCG's and both CFPCG's or if Clemson lost only two games the next two years but missed both ACCCG's and both CFPCG's they would come up just short.  As a practical matter it would be nearly impossible for Bama to somehow go 23-3 over the next two years but miss the SECCG and CFPCG both years and it would be even less likely for Clemson to go 24-2 but miss the ACCCG and CFPCG both years.  

It is mathematically possible for all three to make it to .900 for 2012-2021 which would be astounding because we've never even had two at the same time let alone three.  

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« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2020, 05:06:12 PM »
Looking at Bama's, Clemson's, and tOSU's performance over the last two years, it is not altogether unlikely that they'll each make .900 for 2012-2021.  If they each replicate what they did over the last two years over the next two years then for the 10-year period of 2012-2021 they'll get to:

  • .9124 Ohio State, 125-12
  • .9091 Clemson, 130-13
  • .9007 Alabama, 127-14

Just FYI, losses in 10-years and the # of wins necessary to make .900:
  • 15:  135-15 would make it but that would require both 10 consecutive CCG appearances and 10 consecutive CFPG appearances.  Ie, 15 losses would basically never make it.  
  • 14:  126-14 or better would make it.  Bama and Clemson are both on track to potentially make that for '12-21.  14 losses is on the edge but would probably make it most decades.  126-14 is 140 games which is the 120 scheduled plus at least 10 combined CCG's and CFPCG's.  Generally a team winning 12-13 games per year is going to make a pretty good number of CCG's and CFPCG's but this could be close.  
  • 13:  117-13 or better would make it.  As a practical matter, any record with 13 or fewer losses makes it because 117-13 is exactly 130 games or only 13 per year which means zero CCG's and zero CFPCG's.  


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« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2020, 06:34:07 PM »
Keep in mind, this is only possible because these elite teams are playing AT LEAST 13 games.  
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« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2020, 06:37:44 PM »
I'm truly blessed.  After becoming a Husker fan in 1981 as a freshman, living through all the disappointing close calls for the big one(1983), but rooting for a great team for more than 10 seasons, then the 90's happen.

Helluva run from 1981-2003
Same here.  These running decades show how Florida isn't among the bluebloods of the sport, but since I was 10, Florida is 3rd in the country.  So yeah, we're the mighty Gators in my mind.  
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« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2020, 06:47:00 PM »
Keep in mind, this is only possible because these elite teams are playing AT LEAST 13 games. 
Good point.  Back in the 60's a "normal" season for Ohio State was nine games and a Bowl season was 10.  Back then BigTen teams could only go to the RoseBowl and they couldn't repeat so for the decade (1960-1969) Ohio State only played 91 games.  To make .900 on that schedule they would have had to win 82.  Even with the maximum number of games (RB every other year) it would only have been 95 and going .900 would have required at least 85-9-1.  

By comparison Clemson has played 100 games in the last seven years (2013-2019):
  • 84 regular season scheduled games (12*7)
  • 7 Bowls/CFP Semi-Finals
  • 5 ACCCG's
  • 4 CFPCG's


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« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2020, 08:51:01 PM »
Keep in mind, this is only possible because these elite teams are playing AT LEAST 13 games. 
Yes, last year's FBS winning percentage was the highest since 1949.  2010-2019 is the highest winning percentage since 1947-1956.  The number of FCS opponents is high and the differences between the top and bottom teams grow.

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« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2020, 07:19:37 AM »
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« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2020, 10:15:37 AM »
Keep in mind, this is only possible because these elite teams are playing AT LEAST 13 games. 
Yes, last year's FBS winning percentage was the highest since 1949.  2010-2019 is the highest winning percentage since 1947-1956.  The number of FCS opponents is high and the differences between the top and bottom teams grow.
On the other hand, a lot of the additional games for the elite teams (those anywhere close to .900 for a decade) are decidedly NOT easy games.  

If your team plays 15 games it is likely because they made their CCG and the CFPCG.  Those are REALLY tough games an nobody is going .900 in CCG's and CFPCG's.  

For the three teams that *COULD* make .900 over 2012-2021 their record in CCG's and CFPCG's so far (2012-2019) is:
Ohio State:
  • 4-1 in B1GCG's (L, MSU 2013; W, UW 2014; W, UW 2017; W, NU 2018; W, UW 2019)
  • 1-0 in CFPCG's (W, Ore 2014)
  • 5-1 or .8333 overall
Alabama:
  • 5-0 in SECCG's (W, UGA 2012; W, Mizzou 2014; W, UF 2015; W, UF 2016; W, UGA 2018)
  • 2-2 in CFPCG's (W, Clem 2015; L, Clem 2016; W, UGA 2017; L, Clem 2018)
  • 7-2 or .7778 overall
Clemson:
  • 5-0 in ACCCG's (W, UNC 2015; W, VaTech 2016; W, Miami 2017; W, Pitt 2018; W, UVA 2019)
  • 2-2 in CFPCG's (L, Bama 2015; W, Bama 2016; W, Bama 2018; L, LSU 2019)
  • 7-2 or .7778 overall

Even though these three teams have dominated their CCG's over the past 8+ years with a combined record of 14-1 or .9333 they obviously can't collectively dominate CFPCG's if for no other reason than they run into each other.  Combined they are barely over .500 in CFCG's at 5-4 with two wins (tOSU over Ore and Bama over UGA) and one loss (Clem to LSU) coming against other teams while the other three wins/losses were splits by Clemson/Bama in the CFPCG.  Ie, they can't both win.  


 

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