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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #224 on: January 17, 2020, 05:21:54 PM »
Miami, Texas, and Cali are outside the triangle?
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« Reply #225 on: January 17, 2020, 05:23:28 PM »
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This is why USC should be in the CFP every year.  Their state is "only" #2, but they do not have anywhere near the competition for local recruits that the Florida schools do.  Look at the top states:
  • Florida:  Three MAJOR programs in-state (UF, FSU, Miami) plus neighboring and nearby major programs like UGA, Bama, Auburn, LSU, Clemson.  Plus EVERYBODY recruits Florida.  
  • California:  ONE major program (USC) with a few other P5 schools that have been decent at times (UCLA, Stanford).  No MAJOR programs in neighboring or nearby states with the arguable exceptions of Oregon and Washington.  
  • Texas:  One MAJOR helmet program then another with a strong history just shy of "helmet" (aTm) plus neighboring/nearby raids from Oklahoma, LSU, Bama, Nebraska, etc.  
  • Georgia:  One MAJOR program plus GaTech whatever they are and bordering competition from UF, FSU, Miami, Clemson, Bama, Auburn, etc.  
  • Ohio:  One MAJOR program with bordering competition from PSU, M, WVU, etc.  

Do you see how much California stands out?  The talent pool from the other top-5 talent states gets divided many ways but the talent pool in California is basically there for USC to take it.  


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« Reply #226 on: January 17, 2020, 06:24:32 PM »
Interesting that you categorized A&M as an “ almost helmet”. For sure we haven’t been in the top 10 much in the last 20 years but have probably been in the top 25 mostly.  What is the cutoff point for being considered a helmet?  Revenue?  Stadium size?  Fan base?  Geography?  Wins?  Heisman?  MNC?

By your criteria was Clemson a helmet ~10 years ago?  

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« Reply #227 on: January 18, 2020, 02:28:33 PM »
No, and to most people, Clemson still isn't.  
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the true helmet programs are the bluebloods just above the Florida schools in terms of wins and win% all-time.  Anyone 'above' Fla-FSU-Miami-UGA-Aub-LSU
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So that's basically USC, Texas, OU, OSU, UM, PSU, Bama, Neb, and ND.  Teams just outside that (mentioned above) have been trending up, but it takes time.  
Actually, Clemson is in some 3rd-rung somewhere, imo.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #228 on: January 18, 2020, 07:42:55 PM »
Stewart Mandel used to do his "Kings, Barons, Knights, Peasants" (or whatever) rankings every five years or so.  I haven't seen one lately.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #229 on: January 18, 2020, 07:56:11 PM »
Miami, Texas, and Cali are outside the triangle?
Do you need a map?
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The point is, the talent-rich triangle isn't necessarily packed with high-population areas. 
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« Reply #230 on: January 18, 2020, 07:58:54 PM »
I have a map
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« Reply #231 on: January 18, 2020, 10:30:17 PM »
I guess I drew a distinction between blue bloods and helmets. Blue blood is simply the top 10-12 list.  Helmet is any school that has the resources to compete with the blue bloods but not in the top ten.  

So by your measure Clemson is neither a blue blood or helmet but has almost as many MNC as Texas and neither is LSU who has won three MNC this century and 4 overall?  Meanwhile Norte Dame and Nebraska are both helmet teams and blue bloods?  

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« Reply #232 on: January 19, 2020, 02:05:30 AM »
I described what I see seems to be the consensus of this board.  
Personally, I think what you did lately counts a helluva lot more than pre-WWII.  These current players never witnessed a great Nebraska team.  Haven't witnessed Tennessee winning the SEC.  Michigan's beaten OSU once since the current players were toddlers.  
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I only think you're as good as your HC and your 5-year outlook.  But helmet-ness isn't just the current week's top 25.  It's history, tradition, prestige, roster talent, potential future talent, facilities, hell - where it ranks as a priority of the University, etc.
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Clemson has the present-day results and the roster talent.  It lacks the other markers, compared to the traditional powers.
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Most believe this is a very gradual process - it takes decades to become a helmet and for a program to lose such status.  Back in 1950, Minnesota and Ole Miss may have been considered helmet programs, but they're far from that now.  Somewhere along the way of decades of losing, they lost it.  The state of FL schools have been winning for 3-4 decades now and if not in the group, they're on the cusp.  
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For an SEC person, Tennessee has long been #2 to Bama, but they've been bypassed by Florida, LSU, and Georgia - and perhaps Auburn.  Things don't have to stay the same much longer for those programs to creep up on UT's historical numbers.  
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For A&M, they'd have to routinely outpace Texas in results for decades in order to swap places on the helmet schools list.
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« Reply #233 on: January 19, 2020, 02:18:31 AM »
You could simply look at all-time win%:
.731 Ohio St
.730 Michigan
.727 Alabama
.727 ND
.725 Oklahoma
.705 Texas
.699 USC
.692 Nebraska
.690 Penn St
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We can say Michigan, ND, and Texas aren't producing at an elite level lately, but I wouldn't say they're in any trouble.  Of this list, Nebraska seems to be on the ropes more than anyone.  
Then we have:
.674 Tennessee
.654 Georgia
.654 LSU
.634 Miami
.631 Auburn
.631 Florida
.622 Washington
.616 Clemson
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And when you look at Win%, it's good, but then you note national championships.  Consensus ones, not after-the-fact computer consolation prizes.  And the more recent, the better.  
OSU has 2 in the past 25 years, UM 1, Bama a bunch, ND none, OU 1, UTA 1, USC 2, UNL 1 or 2 - right at the edge of the timeframe, PSU none, UTK 1, UGA none, LSU 3 now, Miami 1, Auburn 1, Florida 2, UW none, and Clemson with 2 now.  
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So even just looking at this one modern generation, there's Alabama at the top comfortably, then a group with OSU, LSU, maybe USC, maybe Clemson in there.  FSU's not even on the list yet, and they've had 2.  But Clemson doesn't stand out.  Their little run has been great, but it's still kindergarten age.  It's young.  It's got to grow up into adulthood before we start talking about changing levels.
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« Reply #234 on: January 19, 2020, 12:08:37 PM »
So seeing as how Clemson was pretty far off the helmet list does it really make a difference?  I’d actually say that outside the top three Helmet schools anybody from 15-25 has just as good a chance of winning it all. 

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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #235 on: January 19, 2020, 12:09:42 PM »
This is Stewart Mandel's initial (2007) breakdown of "Kings, Dukes, Knights, and Peasants."

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College football program pecking order: Dividing all 66 BCS teams into four-tier hierarchy
What exactly constitutes a "national power?" I rank the "prestige level" of all 66 BCS schools (including Notre Dame) by dividing them into four tiers.
STEWART MANDEL
AUG 8, 2007

One of the fun things about writing the Mailbag each week is you never know which portion will touch the biggest nerve. Last week, it was a seemingly innocuous, buried-on-page-three question from a reader named Jeff in Atlanta wondering why Georgia coach Mark Richt isn't catching any heat for failing to reach the national title game.

In the course of defending Richt -- who's "only" won two SEC titles and a division crown in six years -- I noted that the Dawgs are not the sort of "national power" whose fans are entitled to expect national titles. (Their last one came 27 years ago.) My classification of the program as a "regional power" generated a whole bunch of angry e-mails from the Peach State (though there were also quite a few Georgia fans who readily agreed), as well as this interesting query from Adam in Philadelphia:

You talk about how Georgia fans hold an inflated perception of their place in the national scene. Can you give us rankings of schools and their prestige and place in the national scene? I am a huge Penn State fan (I went there) and would like to know where you place them.

Here's what makes this question so intriguing. By any quantitative standard, Georgia has been a far better program than Penn State for some time now. Heck, the Nittany Lions have had four losing seasons this decade, while the Dawgs haven't won less than eight games in a season. And yet, I would tell you without a moment's hesitation that Penn State is a national power while Georgia is not.

So I suppose this raises a question: What exactly constitutes a "national power?" To be honest, I don't have a specific answer. Obviously, a history of on-field success (national championships, major bowls) is the key component, but the program must also continue to maintain relevance -- after all, Minnesota has a bunch of national titles on its mantle, but no one views the Gophers as a national power.

No, it's something more than wins and losses. It's a certain cachet or aura. It's the way a program is perceived by the public. Let me put it to you this way:

Suppose we went to, say, Montana. And suppose we found 100 "average" college football fans (not necessarily message-board crazies, but not twice-a-year viewers, either) and put them in a room. If I held up a Michigan helmet, my guess is all 100 would know exactly what it was. If I held up a picture of the USC song girls, all 100 would know who they were. If I happened to bring Joe Paterno along with me, all 100 would say, "Hey, look, it's Joe Paterno!"

But if I held up a Georgia "G" helmet, how many of them do you think would be able to identify it off the top of their head? And with all due respect to Mark Richt, if we secretly inserted him into a police lineup, how many of them would actually say, "Hey, look, it's Mark Richt!" (I swear, Dawgs fans, I'm not trying to pile on Georgia. It's just the example I was given. Don't hate me. Here -- Larry Munson is a god.)

So with this admittedly vague yet somehow telling criteria as my guide, I will accept Adam's challenge and rank the "prestige level" of all 66 BCS schools (including Notre Dame) by dividing them into four tiers.

Kings
  • Alabama
  • Florida
  • Florida State
  • Miami
  • Michigan
  • Nebraska
  • Notre Dame
  • Ohio State
  • Oklahoma
  • Penn State
  • Tennessee*
  • Texas
  • USC












* Tennessee is the lone school in the group that caused any hesitation. The Vols would have been a no-brainer 10 years ago, but they have fallen off the map a bit lately. In the end, I figured those 100 fans in Montana still know "Rocky Top," the checkered end zones and that Peyton Manning went there.

Barons

  • Auburn
  • Clemson
  • Colorado
  • Georgia
  • LSU*
  • Texas A&M
  • UCLA
  • Virginia Tech
  • Washington
  • Wisconsin









* While LSU is clearly a premier program right now, its big-picture tradition does not match those of the 13 kings. However, if the Tigers were to add another national title here in the next couple of years, they may well graduate to that group.

Knights

  • Arizona State
  • Arkansas
  • Boston College
  • California
  • Georgia Tech
  • Illinois
  • Iowa
  • Kansas State
  • Maryland
  • Michigan State
  • Missouri
  • N.C. State
  • Oklahoma State
  • Ole Miss
  • Oregon
  • Oregon State
  • Pittsburgh
  • Purdue
  • Stanford
  • Syracuse*
  • South Carolina
  • Texas Tech
  • Virginia
  • West Virginia
  • Washington State
























* In normal times, Syracuse would qualify as one of the barons, but they're just so darn bad and so irrelevant right now.

Peasants
  • Arizona
  • Baylor
  • Cincinnati
  • Connecticut
  • Duke
  • Minnesota
  • Indiana
  • Iowa State
  • Kansas
  • Kentucky
  • Mississippi State
  • North Carolina
  • Northwestern
  • Rutgers*
  • South Florida*
  • Wake Forest
  • Vanderbilt
















* Rutgers is another program that could be on its way up a tier, and South Florida is here by default because it's essentially a start-up.

There is one school intentionally missing from the list, and that's because I have no idea where to put it: Louisville. History-wise, the Cardinals are peasants, but the program has completely reinvented itself over the past decade and now gets mentioned with the kings and barons. For now, we'll just say: TBD.

Already anticipating what may be my biggest barrage of hate mail yet, all I ask is that you spare me any lists of all-time winning percentages, bowl wins, conference titles and whatnot. Remember -- being called a "powerhouse" is more about public perception than it is reality. Better yet, just apply the Montana test.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #236 on: January 19, 2020, 12:22:22 PM »
Here's Mandel's 2012 update.

Sports Illustrated
'Program Pecking Order' returns after five-year hiatus; Mailbag

Five years later, it's time to revisit the "Program Pecking Order," my ranking of all the major programs, plus a few mid-majors, on their "prestige level."
STEWART MANDEL
JUL 11, 2012

How much can the perception of a program change over a half-decade? I'm not talking about the usual on-field ebbs and flows of going 10–2 one year and 7–5 the next. I'm talking about a real change in the national prestige (or lack thereof) a team established over decades due to its level of play in the past five seasons.
Plenty of you must be wondering, since I've been getting regular requests over the past year or so to revisit my "Program Pecking Order" Mailbag from August 2007 that divvied up the nation's BCS conference schools into a four-tiered Feudal society. This seems as good a time as any to do it. The genesis of the idea was a reader debate over whether Georgia should be considered a "national power." My answer in '07 was no (turning me into a permanent enemy of certain Bulldogs bloggers), and that hasn't changed in the last five years.
As a refresher: The goal here is not to rank programs based on winning percentage, national championships, bowl wins or any other quantitative measure, though those things undoubtedly matter. As I wrote in '07, a national power carries "... a certain cachet or aura. It's the way a program is perceived by the public. Let me put it to you this way. Suppose we went to, say, Montana. And suppose we found 100 'average' college football fans (not necessarily message-board crazies, but not twice-a-year viewers, either) and put them in a room. If I held up a Michigan helmet, my guess is all 100 would know exactly what it was. ... But if I held up a Georgia 'G' helmet, how many of them do you think would be able to identify it off the top of their heads?"
As you're about to find out, things haven't changed dramatically in five years. In fact, I'd argue they haven't changed much at all. Most of the programs that rose or fell here had already begun to shift in the five years prior, but it took a little longer to be sure it was truly a trend. There are a couple exceptions, however, largely due to the massive conference realignment wave of the past couple years.
For the purposes of this exercise, I've included all current AQ conference programs, major independents and a certain blue-clad team that falls somewhere in between.
Formatting note: Bolded teams moved up to that rank or are making their debut; strikethrough teams fell out of that rank.
Kings
  • Alabama
  • Florida
  • Florida State
  • LSU
  • Miami
  • Michigan
  • Nebraska
  • Notre Dame
  • Ohio State
  • Oklahoma
  • Penn State
  • Tennessee
  • Texas
  • USC
Ten years ago, LSU was coming off its first outright SEC championship in 15 years, having upset Phillip Fulmer's second-ranked Tennessee squad. Four months after this column ran, the Tigers knocked off the Vols in Atlanta again en route to their second BCS championship in five years. While LSU solidified itself as a bona fide national power, Tennessee fired Fulmer a year later and sank further into a decade-long bout of mediocrity.
It will be interesting to see where Penn State lands on this list if we revisit it five years down the road. The now-scandal-ridden program's identity was so closely tied to the late Joe Paterno that it may never again carry the same clout.
Barons
  • Auburn
  • Clemson
  • Colorado
  • Georgia
  • Oregon
  • Tennessee
  • Texas A&M
  • UCLA
  • Virginia Tech
  • Washington
  • West Virginia
  • Wisconsin.
Some might wonder how Colorado and Washington were in this tier to begin with, but both programs won national titles in the '90s. I couldn't have known then just how far the once-mighty would fall. Oregon's rise was a no-brainer, with Chip Kelly building on Mike Bellotti's momentum and taking the Ducks to three consecutive BCS games. West Virginia has three BCS wins since 2005, but its move to the Big 12 helps its profile as much as those.
Knights
  • Arizona State
  • Arkansas
  • Boise State
  • Boston College
  • BYU
  • Cal
  • Colorado
  • Georgia Tech
  • Illinois
  • Iowa
  • Kansas State
  • Maryland
  • Michigan State
  • Missouri
  • NC State
  • Oklahoma State
  • Ole Miss
  • Oregon State
  • Pittsburgh
  • Purdue
  • Stanford
  • Syracuse
  • South Carolina
  • TCU
  • Texas Tech
  • Utah
  • Virginia
  • Washington
  • Washington State
This is the landing spot for recent BCS crashers and upwardly mobile Boise State, TCU and Utah, as well as ever-consistent, now independent BYU. While no one would argue that Boise has been far more successful lately than, say, UCLA, it will take many more years of sustained success for the Broncos to be viewed as the same type of "big boys" as the history-laden Bruins. Oklahoma State and/or Stanford could be the next to move up, while Washington State is now too far removed from its last run of respectability to avoid the bottom rung.
Peasants
  • Arizona
  • Baylor
  • Cincinnati
  • Connecticut
  • Duke
  • Minnesota
  • Indiana
  • Iowa State
  • Kansas
  • Kentucky
  • Louisville
  • Mississippi State
  • North Carolina
  • Northwestern
  • Rutgers
  • Temple
  • USF
  • Wake Forest
  • Washington State
  • Vanderbilt

Five years ago I wasn't sure where to place Louisville, which was coming off a 12–1 season and an Orange Bowl win. Now it's clear the Cardinals aren't too different from the rest of their Big East brethren, seven of whom sit here. None can seem to sustain success. We'll see if it's possible for any to make inroads once the Big East loses its AQ status.
All told, three of the 71 schools moved up, four moved down and six made their debuts. The conclusion: At this point it's more feasible for a young program like Boise State to make a splash and create a new identity than it is for a more established program to alter a perception built over 100-plus years.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #237 on: January 19, 2020, 12:39:47 PM »
And here is Mandel's most recent update, from 2017.

Fox Sports
College football program pecking order 3.0: Dividing all 66 BCS teams into four-tier hierarchy

Stewart Mandel
Stewart Mandel  @slmandel
May 27, 2017 at 9:22a ET

I’ve written hundreds of Mailbag columns over the years. For the most part, readers consume them, (hopefully) enjoy them, and then forget about them as soon as the next one arrives.

But one particular question I answered in August 2007 took on a life of its own. A reader asked me to rank the nation’s power-conference schools by “prestige and place in the national scene.” For reasons I can’t recall, I opted to invoke a Medieval feudal system in dividing the 66 BCS programs at the time into Kings, Knights, Barons and Peasants.

Thus, my Program Pecking Order was born.

People took the thing pretty seriously. One Georgia blog actually enlisted a Dawgs fan to go around to sports bars in Montana testing my premise that the “G” helmet is not universally recognizable enough to merit a spot in the top group. (An “A” for effort, though it turned out I was right.)



And of course, people began asking me to do another one as soon as the very next year. But to do so would have run counter to my thesis, which is that most programs’ prestige levels are too deeply entrenched to change much based on a couple of good or bad years.

If Ohio State inexplicably goes 0-12 this season, it will still be one of the sport’s Kings. If Kansas inexplicably goes 10-2, sorry Jayhawks fans, but Kansas would still be a Peasant.

So my answer at the time was, let’s wait five years. In 2012, I did revisit the list and make a few changes. Even then, five years wasn’t enough time for most to upend perceptions built over decades and decades.

But now, incredibly, it’s been a decade since the original list. And a lot has changed in that time.

In 2007, Clemson had not been nationally relevant for nearly a quarter-century; now it’s the reigning national champ. In 2007, Baylor had been the Big 12’s worst team for a decade; it more recently dominated that conference prior to its devastating sexual assault scandal.

But perhaps most significantly, the sport’s entire power conference structure changed due both to realignment and the advent of the playoff. Those shifts alone account for many of the changes in this, my 2017 Program Pecking Order.

Before I begin, I can’t emphasize enough that this concept is far from scientific. As laid out in that original column, a “national power” is defined by “something more than wins and losses. It’s a certain cachet or aura. It’s the way a program is perceived by the public.”



That perception is derived in large part both by a program’s historical achievements and its more recent accomplishments, but it also encompasses everything from TV contracts to iconic uniforms to famed mascots to … yes, helmets. Prestige arguably shows itself most directly in the annual recruiting rankings, where we usually see the same group of programs finish in the roughly the same range year-in, year-out, regardless of annual ebbs and flows in their win-loss columns.

So here we go.

The 2017 list comprises 66 schools — the Power 5 conference members and independents Notre Dame and BYU. It’s a harsh reality, but in the playoff era, every Group of 5 school — even standouts like Boise State and Houston — is seen as a peasant (or worse), so there’s no point listing them.

Thanks to my friends at SI.com for re-formatting the old columns to fit their current design. For this version, teams in bold moved up in status from the 2012 edition. Strikethrough teams fell down.

Kings
  • Alabama
  • Clemson
  • Florida
  • Florida State
  • LSU
  • Miami
  • Michigan
  • Nebraska
  • Notre Dame
  • Ohio State
  • Oklahoma
  • Penn State
  • Texas
  • USC












I’m 41 years old. In my teens, 20s and early-to-mid 30s, you could never have convinced me Nebraska would one day be viewed as anything less than college football royalty. But today’s recruits were not even born the last time the Huskers won even a conference championship, in 1999, much less Tom Osborne’s three national titles in four years from 1994-97.

And while the school’s move to the Big Ten unquestionably benefits the program financially, few would contend Nebraska is viewed in the same grouping as league powers Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. Its perception at this point more closely resembles those of Wisconsin and Michigan State.



I suppose one could make much the same argument against five-time national champ Miami remaining among the kings. The ‘Canes have not won more than nine games in a season since 2003. But I’d argue the “U” still carries a ton of cachet given its alums’ heavy presence in the NFL — and recruits agree.

As for Clemson, it’s pretty simple. Dabo Swinney and Deshaun Watson elevated the program’s profile immeasurably, and winning a national championship legitimized it in a way that, say, Oregon, never quite pulled off.

Barons
  • Auburn
  • Georgia
  • Michigan State
  • Nebraska
  • Oregon
  • Stanford
  • Tennessee
  • Texas A&M
  • UCLA
  • Virginia Tech
  • West Virginia
  • Wisconsin











Stanford and Michigan State (prior to last season) have been two of the most successful programs in the country since the start of this decade — three Rose Bowls and six double-digit win seasons for the Cardinal, five 11-win seasons and a 2015 playoff berth for the Spartans. Stanford in particular has completely reinvented its brand as the sport’s smash-mouth smart school.

Like Nebraska, West Virginia has suffered in part by a necessary change of conference, going from a regular Big East/BCS contender to mostly middle-of-the-pack (last year excluded) finisher and geographic misfit in the Big 12. Its prestige level has slipped accordingly.

Knights
  • Arizona State
  • Arkansas
  • Baylor
  • Boise State
  • Boston College
  • BYU
  • Cal
  • Colorado
  • Georgia Tech
  • Illinois
  • Iowa
  • Kansas State
  • Louisville
  • Maryland
  • Missouri
  • North Carolina
  • NC State
  • Northwestern
  • Oklahoma State
  • Ole Miss
  • Oregon State
  • Pittsburgh
  • Purdue
  • Syracuse
  • South Carolina
  • TCU
  • Texas Tech
  • Utah
  • West Virginia
  • Virginia
  • Washington






















Baylor’s brand may be toxic now, but there’s no doubt the school raised its profile considerably — for good and bad — under offensive genius-turned-pariah Art Briles. Louisville has enjoyed the fruits of both moving up to the ACC and turning out stars Teddy Bridgewater and Lamar Jackson.

Northwestern has now permanently shed its half-century reputation as a lovable loser by becoming a near-annual bowl team with a widely respected coach, Pat Fitzgerald. And frankly, I can’t recall why I had North Carolina down among the peasants to begin with.



On the flip side, while Boston College and Purdue have both enjoyed high points over their respective histories, their extended stints of mediocrity now come to mind first. Oregon State, after a brief renaissance under Mike Riley, has returned to its cellar-dweller ways. Boise State, as I wrote before, is simply disqualified, though the Broncos to their credit remain the most widely respected Group of 5 program.

Peasants
  • Arizona
  • Boston College
  • Duke
  • Minnesota
  • Indiana
  • Iowa State
  • Kansas
  • Kentucky
  • Mississippi State
  • Oregon State
  • Purdue
  • Rutgers
  • Wake Forest
  • Washington State
  • Vanderbilt














My lowest tier pared down from 20 to a more exclusive 15 not so much because of promotions but because four former Big East schools (Cincinnati, USF, Connecticut and Temple) fell off this list entirely.

My guess is fans with the biggest beef will be those of Mississippi State, given it’s just three years removed from debuting at No. 1 in the first-ever selection committee rankings. No question, Dak Prescott led the Bulldogs on a glorious two-season run … but it was just that, two seasons.

In conclusion, if we go back and compare this list to the original we get a sense just how much — or how little — college football’s perceived hierarchy changes in the span of a decade. Here’s how it breaks down.

  • Eleven of the 13 Kings remained the same, with LSU and Clemson supplanting Tennessee and Nebraska.
  • There was more movement in and out of the Barons, with just six originals among the current 11. Oregon, Michigan State and Stanford all ascended from Knights.
  • It’s really hard to escape the realm of peasantry. Baylor, Northwestern and North Carolina were the only ones to do it.
  • All told, 16 of the 66 BCS-conference schools circa 2007 — just less than a quarter — changed tiers over the span of 10 years.
Worth noting: Louisville was the most ascendant program of all, going from unranked (apparently out of indecision) in 2007 to Peasants in 2012 to Knights in 2017.

Finally, if by chance I’m still writing these columns in another five years, I’d say the safest prediction is that Washington under Chris Petersen will have bumped itself up a tier (with last year’s playoff berth the beginning of the breakthrough). Conversely, Illinois is on shakiest ground for potential demotion.

Thanks for following along for another five years. On the off, off chance you disagree with where I have one more teams placed, be sure to let me know at stewart.mandel@fox.com.
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