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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2018, 01:01:51 PM »
The 10-year, 80% club's last 5 versions:
2004-2013:  Boise St
2005-2014:  Boise St, Ohio St, Oregon
2006-2015:  Boise St, Ohio St, Alabama
2007-2016:  Alabama, Boise St, Ohio St
2008-2017:  Alabama, Boise St, Ohio St

Goes to show that with Clemson's graduation to elite levels isn't enough - they'd need probably 2-3 more years of one or two-loss seasons to get in the club.  Ten years really is a long time.  Hell, Alabama's dynasty doesn't even make it across the 80% threshold until 2015!!


**LSU barely misses '04-'13, but is in the club '03-'12.
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2018, 01:03:29 PM »
Boise St.?
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2018, 01:40:00 PM »
I'd limit it to P5 schools, but that might hurt someone's feelings.
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2018, 01:49:48 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 23, 2018, 01:40:00 PM
I'd limit it to P5 schools, but that might hurt someone's feelings.
Please do so, moving forward.
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2018, 02:07:05 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on July 23, 2018, 11:35:29 AM
stretch goes to 2001....  =)
...and then in 2002, Fearless' famous "Don't blame me!" tagline, beneath the Frank Solich avatar, kicked in. 
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2018, 02:41:18 PM »
What’s it hurt to recognize Boise St’s accomplishments?  Isn’t it all relative anyway?  Yeah, they don’t play the schedule P5 teams do but they also don’t have the recruiting or monetary advantages either.
 

They dominate the space that they occupy.  Nothing wrong with that.
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2018, 02:42:05 PM »
agree.  If it was that easy, you'd see more BSU's...
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2018, 02:48:20 PM »
Quote from: ELA on July 23, 2018, 08:50:54 AM
There is a random 3-6 year in the middle there messing the whole thing up too.
I think this illustrates what makes getting into the .800 club so difficult.  In the '48-'57 stretch that you cited the Spartans played 93 games so just over nine per year.  To hit .800 in a 93 game decade you need to go (excluding ties because they complicate the math) at least 75-18:
  • 75-18 = .807
  • 74-19 = .796
  • MSU's 74-17-2 = .801 by my math.  ELA cited it as .813 which excludes the ties (74/91=.813).  

My point is that MSU's bad 3-6 year represented 1/3 of the total number of losses they could absorb and still make .800 for the decade.  In the remaining nine years and 84 games they had to go 72-12 or an average of 8-1.3 per year.  One bad year or a couple of mediocre ones pretty much knocks you out of the running.  MSU only managed to make it with that 3-6 year because they had a couple undefeated years and a 9-1 year to balance it off.  It is a REALLY steep mountain to climb.  
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2018, 02:50:18 PM »
Replying to @Kris61 and Entropy:

I agree that Boise dominates the space that they are in, but that doesn't make it the same thing as doing it against P5 competition.  For that matter, if all we are talking about is dominating the space you are in then a Pee Wee team that goes undefeated should be discussed alongside Bama.  
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2018, 02:55:30 PM »
Boise's all-time strength of schedule, by year, since joining FBS:
106
107
106
102
113
96
113
112
72
103
86
105
95
97
71
74
114
76
67
105
70
69

The worst SOS you'll find in a top-5 type P5 school is in the 40s.  They're often in the top 10, averaging no worse than in the high teens.  It is apples and oranges.  
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2018, 02:56:35 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 23, 2018, 01:01:51 PM
The 10-year, 80% club's last 5 versions:
2004-2013:  Boise St
2005-2014:  Boise St, Ohio St, Oregon
2006-2015:  Boise St, Ohio St, Alabama
2007-2016:  Alabama, Boise St, Ohio St
2008-2017:  Alabama, Boise St, Ohio St

Goes to show that with Clemson's graduation to elite levels isn't enough - they'd need probably 2-3 more years of one or two-loss seasons to get in the club.  Ten years really is a long time.  Hell, Alabama's dynasty doesn't even make it across the 80% threshold until 2015!!


**LSU barely misses '04-'13, but is in the club '03-'12.
that's because, going on official records, from '00-06 bama is closer to the 20% than 80%. using actual results we're basically splitting the difference, slit lean to 80%. early 00's were bad times.
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2018, 02:58:09 PM »
That's what makes it so badass to be anywhere on these lists!  It's so hard.


I'd love to do a year-by-year rolling list.  Note any program that makes it on there even once - those are your programs in the discussion as "helmet" teams.  Then rank them by number of times they're on those rolling lists, and you have your program hierarchy that we played around with some last off-season.

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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2018, 03:01:11 PM »
i'm assuming it's the usuals that will fills these lists. but on one of the lists above, i was surprised to see nd only listed once (unless i overlooked them). thought then, mich and ou would be tops.
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2018, 03:02:58 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 23, 2018, 02:58:09 PM
That's what makes it so badass to be anywhere on these lists!  It's so hard.


I'd love to do a year-by-year rolling list.  Note any program that makes it on there even once - those are your programs in the discussion as "helmet" teams.  Then rank them by number of times they're on those rolling lists, and you have your program hierarchy that we played around with some last off-season.


we did a rolling list of top 10 in win% (not just 80%) for a decade (by year, 00-09, 01-10, etc) but i think we might have done it on old board. anyone remember?

mich and nd dominated early, aTm and ole miss was surprisingly strong for awhile as well, neb ran roughshod from 70's on, and osu was the steady eddie, rarely the top dog, but almost always in top 5, and only once outside top 10 i think. bama, ou, etc all had periods of dominance as well.
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