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Topic: Texas and OU to where?!?!

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #210 on: July 25, 2021, 02:29:33 PM »
Excellent post, CW.  It sums up a lot of my feelings exactly.  I was glad the ESPN/Fox tv package got another 10 years for the B12 but I don't think anyone thought it was going to last.  I was ready for OU to go anywhere else but this announcement took me completely by surprise.  Once I got over the shock, I think this is going to be great.

Same here.  I was quite shocked, and wasn't sure how I felt about it.

But long ago I'd decided that OU and Texas going to the SEC was the most likely ultimate scenario.  And depending on how the divisions/pods work out, it's certainly exciting for me to think about maintaining the annual rivalry with OU, and getting back the Arkansas and Texas A&M rivalries.   At the same time, I know y'all are sacrificing your OkState rivalry, and the Nebraska rivalry is already lost, current home-and-homes nothwithstanding.  I really wish, for y'all, you could renew that one as an annual game.  I always enjoyed it back during the beforetimes (and rooting for Nebraska against your hated Sooners, of course ;) ).


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« Reply #211 on: July 25, 2021, 02:35:09 PM »
Hey C-Dub, good to see you back!  I was hoping to get your take.

I really do understand what you're saying about Texas as a conference mate, but think about it this way-- in the SEC, Texas won't be able to throw any weight around.  It's a well run and secure conference that doesn't need Texas.  There's simply no weight to throw around.  Adding Texas -- and OU of course-- is beneficial to the SEC.  But it's not necessary.  And that makes a huge difference.

I won't agree with every accusation leveled at us over the past few decades, but I will say that whatever tendencies might have existed when DeLoss (and then Patterson) were in charge, aren't likely to persist into a relationship with the SEC.

It's definitely going to be a wild ride.  I guess we'll see what happens.

I think you are spot on, utee.  I've had a perspective shift since the last realignment.  It completely bewildered me back when Castiglione was working so closely with Dodds but seeing how OU & UT worked so closely behind the scenes on this made me realize that the things that peeved me as a fan really aren't the big issues facing the universities.  
Like CW, I really miss the old Big 8 and the original Big 12 and I was very bitter to lose old conference mates Nebraska and Mizzou (OK, maybe not Mizzou so much).  
Now there is so much change with the NIL, playoff expansion, etc. this may be the perfect time to start over conference wise.

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« Reply #212 on: July 25, 2021, 02:41:12 PM »
Of course!

Yeah, I wish we could establish an annual OOC game with Nebraska.

But, and I don't mean any disrespect to the Huskers, they would need to get better for that to work.

OU would not benefit much from the game as an inroad into Nebraska HS talent.  It would have to be a game that in more years than not had national significance.

Right now, it's for old times' sake, for geezers like me who remember the great games of the '70s and '80s.  Young OU fans just remember that Nebraska used to be in the Big 12 (and probably don't even realize that the last CCG of the original Big 12 featured OU and Nebraska).

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« Reply #213 on: July 25, 2021, 03:09:34 PM »
Of course!

Yeah, I wish we could establish an annual OOC game with Nebraska.

But, and I don't mean any disrespect to the Huskers, they would need to get better for that to work.

OU would not benefit much from the game as an inroad into Nebraska HS talent.  It would have to be a game that in more years than not had national significance.

Right now, it's for old times' sake, for geezers like me who remember the great games of the '70s and '80s.  Young OU fans just remember that Nebraska used to be in the Big 12 (and probably don't even realize that the last CCG of the original Big 12 featured OU and Nebraska).

C'mon, Huskers!  Get good again!
Probably more likely to establish an annual OOC with oSu, no?
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« Reply #214 on: July 25, 2021, 03:37:46 PM »
Probably more likely to establish an annual OOC with oSu, no?
I hope not.
Right now, oSu is throwing a hissy fit and making noises that they will never play OU again.
But the game does more for them than it does for OU.
The only game in which they fill their 60,000-seat stadium is the Bedlam game.
OU wins 80% of the time, but the wins don't matter, because that's how it's supposed to be.  When oSu wins, they can celebrate for decades.
Losing yet again doesn't hurt them.  There's always next year.
But I suspect that OU will be stuck playing them at least in some years.
If the move to the SEC takes place, and I assume that it will, OU will have some OOC slots to fill in the out years because right now LSU, Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee are slotted for H&H series.  Maybe some of those slots would be filled with oSu.
So, I hope that OU offers to put oSu in those slots, and that oSu refuses.
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« Reply #215 on: July 25, 2021, 10:02:52 PM »
I hope not.
Right now, oSu is throwing a hissy fit and making noises that they will never play OU again.
But the game does more for them than it does for OU.
The only game in which they fill their 60,000-seat stadium is the Bedlam game.
OU wins 80% of the time, but the wins don't matter, because that's how it's supposed to be.  When oSu wins, they can celebrate for decades.
Losing yet again doesn't hurt them.  There's always next year.
But I suspect that OU will be stuck playing them at least in some years.
If the move to the SEC takes place, and I assume that it will, OU will have some OOC slots to fill in the out years because right now LSU, Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee are slotted for H&H series.  Maybe some of those slots would be filled with oSu.
So, I hope that OU offers to put oSu in those slots, and that oSu refuses.
On the one hand, I get the big brother thing, but I do hate when the really clean in-state rivalries go away. Like, it's college ball, you play the teams across the state because that's what this sport is built on. 

(By clean I mean flagship vs ag school. Maybe just my Pac-12 roots showing)

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« Reply #216 on: July 25, 2021, 10:03:39 PM »
After thinking about it, stylistically, is K-State the most Big Ten school suddenly on the market? The feel very Big Ten on the field, even if the academics will stop it. 

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« Reply #217 on: July 25, 2021, 10:06:08 PM »


P.S. About OU and FoSu splitting up, there's no state law that mandates that they have to be together. 
This makes me chuckle becuase I read a story about an SC politician who hunted for some attention early in his tenure by saying they should enshrine their rivalry in law. It was kinda a sideshow. 

Then the game didn't happen this year, and it came back up. Oops. 

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« Reply #218 on: July 25, 2021, 10:31:43 PM »
On the one hand, I get the big brother thing, but I do hate when the really clean in-state rivalries go away. Like, it's college ball, you play the teams across the state because that's what this sport is built on.

(By clean I mean flagship vs ag school. Maybe just my Pac-12 roots showing)
After thinking about it, stylistically, is K-State the most Big Ten school suddenly on the market? The feel very Big Ten on the field, even if the academics will stop it.
I get your point about in-state rivalries, but this one is historically the most lopsided in all the land.  OU has won 81% of the games--90-18-7.  16 of the last 18.  18 of the last 22.  Much of the time, Oklahoma State was Oklahoma A&M College playing in the Missouri Valley Conference.  Cowboy football in the last 10 years is the best it has ever been.  But Boone Pickens--the great benefactor--has died, and his donations have all been spent.  Mike Gundy, the Cowboys' most successful coach ever, by far, isn't going to be there forever.  So the W-L record seems likely to get even more and more lopsided if the series is continued.
I imagine that there will be occasional, maybe even frequent, home-and-home series.  And that would be OK with me.  But I don't want to play them every year to the exclusion of better opponents for the marquee OOC game.
About which remaining Big 12 team would be the most B1G-like, I nominate Iowa State.  They are a little-brother program that doesn't seem to base its entire reason for existence on hating the state's flagship program.  Great fans, gritty teams, usually a tough out.  Everything to like about a team that does more with less.  They have beaten OU 2 out of the last 5 meetings.  And ISU has better academics than K-State.
ISU also has earned racial justice points.  It is the school that accepted George Washington Carver after a school in Kansas had turned him down once they saw the color of his skin.  And ISU's stadium is named for Jack Trice, the first Black athlete there, who died of internal injuries after a "rough" game at Minnesota.
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« Reply #219 on: July 25, 2021, 10:41:16 PM »

About which remaining Big 12 team would be the most B1G-like, I nominate Iowa State.  They are a little-brother program that doesn't seem to base its entire reason for existence on hating the state's flagship program.  Great fans, gritty teams, usually a tough out.  Everything to like about a team that does more with less.  They have beaten OU 2 out of the last 5 meetings.  And ISU has better academics than K-State.
ISU also has earned racial justice points.  It is the school that accepted George Washington Carver after a school in Kansas had turned him down once they saw the color of his skin.  And ISU's stadium is named for Jack Trice, the first Black athlete there, who died of internal injuries after a "rough" game at Minnesota.
I suppose I meant in terms of that rugged ground-heavy style. Power football and the like. 

And despite being a tough out, Iowa State has won 39 percent of its games since 1990. 

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« Reply #220 on: July 25, 2021, 11:04:32 PM »
I suppose I meant in terms of that rugged ground-heavy style. Power football and the like.

And despite being a tough out, Iowa State has won 39 percent of its games since 1990.
K-State's fine.  And they do more with less also.  And they've got great fans too.
Iowa State is 32-19 over the last four seasons, all under Matt Campbell who started out 3-9 in 2016.
Kansas State is 25-23 over the last four seasons.
Iowa State is 548-658-46 all-time.
Kansas State was once the worst program in Div 1 football, but is 542–642–42 all-time, and has a winning record since 1990.
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« Reply #221 on: July 25, 2021, 11:13:44 PM »
I get your point about in-state rivalries, but this one is historically the most lopsided in all the land.  OU has won 81% of the games--90-18-7.  16 of the last 18.  18 of the last 22.  Much of the time, Oklahoma State was Oklahoma A&M College playing in the Missouri Valley Conference.  Cowboy football in the last 10 years is the best it has ever been.  But Boone Pickens--the great benefactor--has died, and his donations have all been spent.  Mike Gundy, the Cowboys' most successful coach ever, by far, isn't going to be there forever.  So the W-L record seems likely to get even more and more lopsided if the series is continued.
I imagine that there will be occasional, maybe even frequent, home-and-home series.  And that would be OK with me.  But I don't want to play them every year to the exclusion of better opponents for the marquee OOC game.
About which remaining Big 12 team would be the most B1G-like, I nominate Iowa State.  They are a little-brother program that doesn't seem to base its entire reason for existence on hating the state's flagship program.  Great fans, gritty teams, usually a tough out.  Everything to like about a team that does more with less.  They have beaten OU 2 out of the last 5 meetings.  And ISU has better academics than K-State.
ISU also has earned racial justice points.  It is the school that accepted George Washington Carver after a school in Kansas had turned him down once they saw the color of his skin.  And ISU's stadium is named for Jack Trice, the first Black athlete there, who died of internal injuries after a "rough" game at Minnesota.
I think oSu has a lot of potential, and I think Gundys time has came and went. 

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« Reply #222 on: July 25, 2021, 11:26:14 PM »
The Texas and/or OU to the B1G thing is missing something:  recruiting.  
I think we here put too much emphasis on academics, which seems to be a pass/fail thing.  It does matter, of course, but if you're a Texas or an OU and you've got some newfangled conference games on the horizon, recruiting-wise, where do you want those to be?  
Iowa, Wisconsin, and Ohio?
or
Louisiana, Georgia, and Florida?
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If you're a program and you'll be benefitting from greater exposure in certain states, that might be higher up the list than academics.
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« Reply #223 on: July 26, 2021, 12:58:07 AM »
The Texas and/or OU to the B1G thing is missing something:  recruiting. 
I think we here put too much emphasis on academics, which seems to be a pass/fail thing.  It does matter, of course, but if you're a Texas or an OU and you've got some newfangled conference games on the horizon, recruiting-wise, where do you want those to be? 
Iowa, Wisconsin, and Ohio?
or
Louisiana, Georgia, and Florida?
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If you're a program and you'll be benefitting from greater exposure in certain states, that might be higher up the list than academics.
The SEC footprint is a more fertile recruiting area than the Big Ten footprint.
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