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SFBadger96

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #140 on: October 02, 2018, 07:56:09 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on October 01, 2018, 09:41:10 PM
Va Tech ... is ... a Helmet team?
WAT?
No no no.
Yes it is--as is Wisconsin, and even Iowa in the grand scheme of things. Their helmets don't shine like ND's or Alabama's or Ohio State's or USC's, but yes, VaTech gets a rankings boost from its helmet/name.

Look at our own BigTen power rankings re Wisconsin. What has Wisconsin done that merits putting it #3? It lost to a non-P5 team at home. It had mediocre wins against cupcakes, and it had a decent road win against another team with nothing especially good on its resume. Good enough for #3. Why? What is Wisconsin doing better than Maryland this season?

You all know the answer: it's Wisconsin, not Maryland. We expect it to be near the top of the conference.
Same with VaTech and the top 25.
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #141 on: October 02, 2018, 08:20:09 PM »
I don't disagree with how you defined teams like Wisconsin and VaTech or that they have "something greater" than others. And in that sense, sure, Helmet is a spectrum. But that's highjacking a specific conventionized term to just mean "reputation" in general. On this board "Helmet" has a more frequent, focused meaning. A qualitative thing. Inclusive of ~8 teams max, where the only remaining debate is whether the members of that group will ever change again.
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #142 on: October 02, 2018, 08:47:45 PM »
Speaking of Wisconsin and helmets, they ought to bring back the one with the W on the front, permanently.
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #143 on: October 02, 2018, 08:57:17 PM »
I agree. Love those things.
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #144 on: October 02, 2018, 09:02:21 PM »
I'm for that
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #145 on: October 02, 2018, 09:11:47 PM »
Interesting VT helmet idea.  No, it's not a blue-blood.  But think about it......in an average year, they're likely to be "good".  Not great, not terrible.  Their stadium is a known thing - it's loud and they have Enter Sandman and what-not.  They have a reputation - special teams & defense.  Maroon isn't unique, but maroon & orange definitely is.  They have a recent, legendary HC - Beamer....Beamer ball.  

Highly-ranked teams lose their fair share @ Blacksburg.  They have the Newport News/VA Beach/Norfolk area to recruit from.  


Strong helmet, if not a top-10 one.
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #146 on: October 02, 2018, 10:27:24 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 02, 2018, 09:11:47 PM
Strong *reputation*, if not a top-10 one.
FIFY and for sure
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #147 on: October 02, 2018, 10:35:37 PM »
There are certainly degrees of helmetosity, and VaTech gets at least a mild bump due to its helmet for sure.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #148 on: October 02, 2018, 10:38:33 PM »
VaTech placed pretty well in our helmet ranking back in the day
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #149 on: October 02, 2018, 10:43:00 PM »
I'm just stubborn about the word. VT has a solid reputation. They're also not in the conversation of that top group of ~8 programs that haven't lost or gained a Helmet member since 1970.
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #150 on: October 02, 2018, 10:55:36 PM »
agreed
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #151 on: October 03, 2018, 12:31:17 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on October 02, 2018, 10:43:00 PM
I'm just stubborn about the word. VT has a solid reputation. They're also not in the conversation of that top group of ~8 programs that haven't lost or gained a Helmet member since 1970.
Without question they are not in that group.  I'd have them around 20 or so.
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #152 on: October 03, 2018, 02:18:46 PM »
I'd probably call VT a "near-helmet", much like Wisconsin, Oregon, Texas A&M, etc.  They don't have the instant-recognition of Notre Dame (even most non-football fans associate the Irish with college football) but for those who pay at least some attention to CFB, they know they're at least somewhere in the Top 25 more often than not.

Schools like Florida, Clemson and Auburn straddle the "near helmet/helmet" line.  I think the relative lack of history and/or consistency keeps them from being on the highest pedestal, but they could be there with a sustained run of dominance (i.e. NY6 Bowls and Playoff appearances at least 7 years out of 10).  Of those, I think Clemson has the easiest path to get there, but I wouldn't count on Dabo sticking around forever.  Nick Saban isn't getting any younger, and if Mama doesn't call, the NFL might.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #153 on: October 03, 2018, 02:21:46 PM »
All blue bloods are helmets, but not all helmets are blue bloods.  Seems pretty simple to me.  There are degrees of helmetosity.

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