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Topic: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3066 on: May 01, 2025, 05:13:04 PM »
I'd say it was both.  I do absolutely agree with you on the customer service aspect, it's important.

But if the quality of the build was so low that multiple actual Toyota dealers-- these are the direct service representatives of the factory, not some shade tree mechanics-- can't identify and correct the issue, then I have a serious problem with the product quality itself.

To put it briefly, that car was a piece of shit that left us stranded numerous times.  And being left stranded is, for me,  the most unacceptable failure mode for an automobile.  It means it has failed in its sole purpose of existence-- transporting me from point A to point B.  I guess there are worse failures, catastrophic ones that involve explosions and loss of life or limb, but aside from that category, the failure of not actually running when it needs to run, is the most prime failure an automobile can have.
Yeah. It was a lemon. They happen. Something was DEEPLY wrong with that specific car. 

If that was a fundamental Toyota design / cultural / manufacturing problem, Toyota wouldn't have the reputation it does. 

YOUR car was bad. The problem was that they didn't treat you, as a customer, properly, to address the mistakes. 

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3067 on: May 01, 2025, 05:14:45 PM »
I just googled me, Holy Cow.  Obviously I had lost track, not having any use to track anything, I had three more patents and two applications on something I never knew about that somehow issued after I left, not that it matters at all, they are all completely useless.  Generally one is supposed to sign paperwork assigning patent rights to the company, and maybe I did somehow at some point and forgot about it figuring the applications were useless tripe.

I guess I could polish off my resume, if I could find it.

Back to sport cars now, more interesting topic.  I like the styling, I could be stylin' in one.


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« Reply #3068 on: May 01, 2025, 05:16:21 PM »
Yeah. It was a lemon. They happen. Something was DEEPLY wrong with that specific car.

If that was a fundamental Toyota design / cultural / manufacturing problem, Toyota wouldn't have the reputation it does.

YOUR car was bad. The problem was that they didn't treat you, as a customer, properly, to address the mistakes.
They were incapable of fixing their poor product. To me that's deeper than what you are suggesting. It's poor product quality as well as incapable service. 

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3069 on: May 01, 2025, 05:21:42 PM »
A buddy of mine had a Solara which for whatever reason he liked for me to drive, whether he was in it or not.  So far as I know it was reliable but it drove like crap.  It was nice to have the top down.  He actually owned an auto repair shop for rice burners, I later bought a Honda CRV from him.

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« Reply #3070 on: May 01, 2025, 05:33:03 PM »
A buddy of mine had a Solara which for whatever reason he liked for me to drive, whether he was in it or not.  So far as I know it was reliable but it drove like crap.  It was nice to have the top down.  He actually owned an auto repair shop for rice burners, I later bought a Honda CRV from him.
Hmm, I liked the way it drove just fine.  It was the SLE V6 3L, pretty quick, the understeer was a little more than I recall from other FWD cars I've driven.  Loved the convertible top.

It just was a completely unreliable piece of shit.

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« Reply #3071 on: May 01, 2025, 07:08:48 PM »
The C7 Corvette has been plagued for years with the issue of cracked wheels sometimes caused by potholes, or at least that’s where General Motors has tried to shift the blame in some cases.

Because of weather conditions and limited tax dollars, potholes will probably always be around.

But recently, GM filed a patent for a new system that automatically identifies road hazards like potholes, flooding, and damaged road signs through the use of sensors and cameras already in place on many of its newer vehicles and then compiles a report from this information and forwards it to governmental authorities in charge of fixing them. In theory, this could speed up the repairs.

Of course, the government would have to agree to participate in any such program, which seems to be a no-brainer since currently it has to rely on a hit-or-miss system through phone calls or e-mails from the public or perhaps through the software app Waze, which allows users to report such road hazards.

GM’s new system would apparently make identification of such road issues automatic through the use of GPS hardware to determine the location of an issue, with cameras, infrared detectors, and LiDAR sensors taking photos and collecting more information about the problem. Then, it would just become a matter of getting the proper governmental parties to pay attention and assign crews to repair them.


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« Reply #3072 on: May 01, 2025, 07:26:11 PM »
They were incapable of fixing their poor product. To me that's deeper than what you are suggesting. It's poor product quality as well as incapable service. 

Again... Poor product/quality overall would be reflected broadly. They have a good product and good quality... Overall.  

YOUR particular vehicle sucked. And they handled it badly. But anecdote != data.

I'd throw the anger at the incapable vehicle service and probably poor customer service. But I doubt their overall product quality is suspect.

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3073 on: May 01, 2025, 07:58:50 PM »
Again... Poor product/quality overall would be reflected broadly. They have a good product and good quality... Overall. 

YOUR particular vehicle sucked. And they handled it badly. But anecdote != data.

I'd throw the anger at the incapable vehicle service and probably poor customer service. But I doubt their overall product quality is suspect.

The product was broken, faulty.  That product's quality wasn't just "suspect" it was a piece of shit, so bad, that not even their service techs could fix it.  I don't have to speculate about a Toyota product's low level of quality, I experienced it first-hand.  It's not any more clear than that.

It wasn't just their service techs that couldn't fix it, it was every mechanic that tried.  So the problem isn't Toyota service, it lies squarely with Toyota manufacturing.

And it's not like Toyota Customer Service could really do anything, either.  Their customer service wasn't ever going to fix their shitty product.  They could have offered to replace it and I would have said no thanks, because why would I want another piece of shit?  They could have given me my money back plus paid me back for all of the money they charged me while not fixing the problem, but all that would have done is help the financial side of it.  It wouldn't have fixed the shitty product nor made me trust their product quality for a future purchase.

Piece.  Of.  Shit.
Never again.

And THAT is how quickly you can lose a customer, forever.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2025, 08:11:01 PM by utee94 »

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3074 on: May 01, 2025, 10:04:22 PM »
I gather you didn't care for the car.

My friend's Solara drove poorly in my view because the hood rattled all over and it got very loose on even modest turns.  I have driven Camry's of similar vintage and they drove OK, so I figured when they took the top off they didn't add much if any rigidity.  If I drove slowly it was OK, which I did.

My friend was a pretty odd dude, very obese, but he knew wine and often paid for some good stuff.  He wanted me to take him flying, he said he'd never been, so I did, he couldn't get the seat belt around him.  We probably were over weight taking off in the 152.


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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3075 on: Today at 05:57:10 AM »
I gather you didn't care for the car.

And now my son wants the GR86.  I guess we could get the Subaru BRZ sister car, and it wouldn't count as a Toyota. :)

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« Reply #3076 on: Today at 07:58:56 AM »
stand your ground - it's good life if you don't weaken
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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3077 on: Today at 08:01:51 AM »
I wouldn't consider anything from Stellantis these days for various reasons.  There isn't another major car maker I would avoid in a given price range.

I keep looking at Mustang GT convertibles.  Maybe I could find a lightly used one somewhere but I don't want two cars.

 

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